dcstep

There are some great descriptions here about the magic of Schilke. You guys are hearing and feeling the same things that attracted me to the marque. (I've never owned one, but I was on a search for a special B1 when I fell for my Selmer Paris).

Now, I'm not trying to steal you away, BUT you Schilke lovers, particularly the B1 and X3 guys and gals, need to try a Selmer Paris Concept TT if you ever get a chance. Its got all the positive aspects mentioned here about the Schilke in a slightly heavier format. The resulting tembre is just a rich, but with a slightly different balance. Which one you prefer will be a matter of taste. They're from the same family. The resonance of the TT is more like the L-bell Schilkes than the fixed-bell horns. The fit and finish is at the same high level, including wonderful valves.

I'm joining the praise of Schilke, not deriding it. Just offering another option.

Dave

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Tootsall

I had a chance to try an S42L last night. It feels very "Schilke-like" to the hands. The weight distribution, etc. is virtually identical to the B1 (and all others). As someone once said, the valve block feels quite solid, the horn is NOT bell-heavy but rather very balanced and "centered" in weight distribution. Appearance, fit and finish etc. are "just what you'd expect"; no surprises.

In terms of blow, "resistance", or whatever you want to call it, it felt VERY much like the B1 (using the same mouthpiece of course). I found this surprising considering the differences in the bore/bell design between the two. The intonation was, if anything, a hair better (again, expected when considering the tuning bell design of the L models and the brace in the leadpipe bow). Where it differs is, as you'd expect, in the sound. Very "bright" and very focused. I'll bet that, in the hands of an experienced player, you could drill pinpoint holes through the drywall at the back of the dance club with this thing.

If you get a chance, give one of these puppies a shot...the worst that can happen is that you'll lust for one!

dcstep

That surprises me. I played to older "Faddis" model (B7 or B8??) and it was positively tight, like a pea-shooter. To hold it, it felt like a Schilke but the blow was no where like a B1. I wonder if Faddis has changed his approach over the years.

Dave

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'94 Lawler TL cornet w/ Sparx 2B
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Tootsall

I've no idea what the Faddis "B" series would be like. To be honest I was really expecting a significant difference based on what I felt when I first tried 4 different models back in Oct. 02. But perhaps I've just become acclimatized to the more open blow of a Schilke so that the change wasn't as dramatic? And also... my understanding is that the Faddis model is based on the "stock" S42L but with the addition of no water key, the heavy bottom caps, and (not certain on this one), different bracing on the leadpipe bow. (If Oldmaz is out there, perhaps he could comment?).

If that above is true, then what I was playing was still a "stock" S42L. A VERY nice horn, by the way. I liked it.

dcstep

I'm not really "up" on the Faddis horn. I was at the Schilke table at ITG and the sales rep said try this, "it's the horn Faddis uses" (used). This was last May. Anyway, I thought I'd bust a gut it was so tight. I can see where after adjusting to it it'd be great for playing in the upper reaches, BUT it was way different feeling to me than the other Schilkes.

I can't imagine a B1 player liking the horn I played. The error is probably on my end since it was so casual a meeting. Maybe I wasn't playing what I thought I was, since it was just a curiousity that crossed my path for a couple of minutes. Still, there is a Schilke model out there that incredibly tight.

Dave

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'03 Concept TT w/ GR66.8B2.8
'94 Lawler TL cornet w/ Sparx 2B
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chetbaker

Faddis' "old" B series Schilke was a B6 with a very light (4.5 oz. I think! ) beryllium bell. I got a chance to play it in a rehearsal big band just before he made the switch to the S42L. I believe he basically switched to a stock S42L at first. I was told the the "new" Schilke S42L Faddis model has: no water key on the main tuning slide; heavy valve caps; an adjustable 3rd slide ring (because he changes his grip on occasion); and the tuning slide has a tighter taper on the bottom leg of the slide. I also understand that he made some modifications to his piece...basically with the cup and backbore. At one time in the early '70's he was using a #30 throat on his piece!

Butch

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DrunkIQ

Keep in mind that you may want to do some of your tuning from the MAIN tuning slide.

Pulling out a LITTLE on the main tuning slide changes the blow of the horn and prevents you from having to pull out so far on the tunable bell.

As far as the Faddis model:

It is a Faddis S42L models main tuning slide has a modified bend and a tighter bottom slide that has no water keys, an adjustable sound post for the bell, Schilkes heavy bottom caps, an adjustable 3rd slide ring and no Nibs removed from 2nd slide.

Myself - I never understood the removal of the nibs on the second valve. My understanding is that he changes his holding position enough to warrant the adjustable slide ring.
He probably just blows a double C to clear out any water trapped in the horn.

Unfortunately, I would have to roll the water out like a French horn. If I ever bought one I would add the water key back on. :(

-marc

Tootsall

Agree on the water key thing... too convenient for me to do without.

and "YES" on the adjustable sound post/bell brace...that's the other part I couldn't think of.

The owner of the horn says that he agrees with me, it is remarkably close to the same "blow" as the B1...we think it might have to do with the smaller bore being offset by improved resonance from the unbraced tuning bell. He did get the "stock" L bell, not beryllium.

dcstep

Hmm, now I wonder what I played...
It was a very distant cousin of the B1. It must have been some other model.

Dave

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Schilke '60 B1
Selmer Paris -- '57 #20 K-Modified/
'03 Concept TT w/ GR66.8B2.8
'94 Lawler TL cornet w/ Sparx 2B
Conn Vintage One flugel - GR66FD
www.pitpops.com www.ucm-inc.com
Rocky Mountain Trumpet Fest

DrunkIQ

Toots,

The tuning slide on the faddis model is a .454" rounded tuning slide (bow and tube), when he gets it then the blow should open up a bit.

Also Jon uses the standard ML yellow brass S-series Tunalbe bell that will comes on the horn already.

The only thing you don't get that Jon has is the double gold plating!

-marc