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eclipse trumpets · 11-01-2005, 02:18 AM

Hi Guy's

Got back from Finland yesterday and sent off the pics to our webmaster, but i have not been able to get hold of him at the moment?

He is moving back to the States so he is very busy right now.

If they are not up by tonight then ill see if someone wants to post the pictures for me?

These pics are only of the 2 models in a raw state, NO lacquer or silver or anything, so they may be a little fingerprinted and dirty but you will see what they are like.

Also the triggers we are using are not set in gold yet as we are trying a few out to see what is liked best, but they work very well.

Best Wishes

Leigh

oldlou · 11-01-2005, 10:56 AM

I am intrigued by the sheet brass bracing from the valve body to the lower leadpipe, and the more usual strut bracing from the mouthpiece receiver to the bellpipe. I am sure that there is a reason for this, but, I can't think of what it might be, other than additional structural integrety.

OLDLOU>>

eclipse trumpets · 11-01-2005, 11:38 AM

Hi Lou

Yes it is mainly structural, but we thought they looked sweet too.
They are not any heavier than many of the usual kind as we have only used 3mm thick material, not 5 or 6 mm thick like on some of the heavier Bbs you may see by some folks.
This is not a heavy weight cornet at all, the bracing does have great strength though and we feel we have mangaed to make one of the strongest cornets out there without going heavy.
The mouthpiece reciever will change to the Eclipse type (which has been tested already),and as i've said before the triggers are not yet decided upon.
But nothing that will alter the sound of what we now have!

I didnt want sheet bracing at the top to the mouthpipe or bell as i believe it does not allow the cornet to speak as well as it does with our smaller yet stable alternative.
You may see that we have 2 braces from valve section to bell (one from the first valve and one from the third.
And only one between mouthpipe and the valves section!
We have positioned this brace on the 3rd, which has been done for 2 reasons.
1 That is how the cornet responded and sounded best in our opinion
2 It is far stronger to have it at that point than on the 2nd valve.

A lot of damage occurs on cornets to the leadpipe just after the normal 2nd valve brace as there is a lot of pipe hanging out still that is easy to bend when it takes a fall.

The bore is 470 LB and is nicely balanced with the mouthpipe to give a nice even blow and response.
We are only offering the 2 different type of bell options (red or yellow brass)

As usual all Eclipse products come with a set of heavy caps to mess around with.

We still have not settled on a price yet, but hope to within the next day or so.

Best Wishes

Leigh

oldlou · 11-01-2005, 11:58 AM

I know that it looks old fashioned to some, but, I wonder if you tried a rear brace from the m/p receiver to the near rear side of the first valve housing, as was done on Holton's Clarke model of old and no bracing to the bell forward of the valve body,( third valve housing).

On the subject of the old Holton Clarke Model, it looks to me,( personal opinion) that you did take a long and strong look at it while designing your trumpet with the extra loop in the bellpipe. BTW, my Clarke Model looks so much like your design that many people think that I am playing an Eclipse. Does yours have a cornet m/p receiver like my old Clarke model or, did you use a trumpet m/p receiver?

OLDLOU>>

eclipse trumpets · 11-01-2005, 02:19 PM

Hi Lou

Now you have made me very curious!

I have to say in all honesty that i have not yet come across the model you mention, at least have never had one in for repair ever.

I would be extremely interested to see it!

Any chance of some pics?

So if there is any likeness i assure you it is maybe only due to designers thinking the same way but in different decades ?

I would like to see it though.

Any Chance?

Best Wishes

Leigh

oldlou · 11-01-2005, 02:31 PM

I can take some pics for you, but, I will have to send them to you via 'snail mail', as I am not suffiently expert with the computor to send them via email. If this is o.k. with you let me know.

Another way would be if someone more computor savvy than I am has an old Clarke Model and could stand in for me with photo's.

BTW, there were two variations on this model extended cornet. One had a sheherds crook. The other,like mine looks just like your manufacture.

OLDLOU>>

TotalEclipse · 11-01-2005, 02:39 PM

Lou, if you have a digital camera or scanner you can send them to me and I post it online.
send to damiansearles@gmail.com

eclipse trumpets · 11-01-2005, 02:39 PM

Wow

You mean the Equinox Trumpet we make i think.
The one with the extra wrap at the back, that ends up being our tuning slide back there.

Never heard of the one you have mentioned but i do have an old old old horn in the workshops that was built pretty much the same as our set up but is a cornet like yours.

I cannot remember who made it ? i think something like the "American Band Company!? I'll take a look tommorow now you have me thinking.

The real reason the Equinox came into being was because of a very persuasive, lovely lady in Georgia.
She (Meg) came to me asking for one of our Bb trumpets but made shorter like her cornet, as she preferred that.

We constructed it for her and then found that other folks also liked it for certain things so we kept it in our range.

It has closer slotting and a sound that is hard to describe!
I hear trumpet, cornet and some flugel when its played (my opinion)

I wouls be happy to recieve some pics any way you can send them.

Thankyou Lou

Leigh

TrentAustin · 11-01-2005, 02:40 PM

IMO the Eclipse doesn't look like a Clarke Model. I think I have a pic here:

of the non-shepards crooked one.

I think the triggers remind me of Boosey Cornets and the profile without the bell reminds me of my Olds Opera model cornet. The .470 bore would also be like my Olds Cornet. Leigh, how do the bell shapes compare (I think the Opera is the widest bell I've ever seen on a cornet with the exception of the Monettes).

Best,

Trent

eclipse trumpets · 11-01-2005, 02:43 PM

Thanks Damo

11-01-2005, 02:18 AM	#11 (permalink)
eclipse trumpets Piano User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: England Posts: 417	Hi Guy's Got back from Finland yesterday and sent off the pics to our webmaster, but i have not been able to get hold of him at the moment? He is moving back to the States so he is very busy right now. If they are not up by tonight then ill see if someone wants to post the pictures for me? These pics are only of the 2 models in a raw state, NO lacquer or silver or anything, so they may be a little fingerprinted and dirty but you will see what they are like. Also the triggers we are using are not set in gold yet as we are trying a few out to see what is liked best, but they work very well. Best Wishes Leigh __________________ Eclipse Trumpets Eclipsetrumpets.com

11-01-2005, 10:56 AM	#12 (permalink)
oldlou Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi. Posts: 658	Bracing I am intrigued by the sheet brass bracing from the valve body to the lower leadpipe, and the more usual strut bracing from the mouthpiece receiver to the bellpipe. I am sure that there is a reason for this, but, I can't think of what it might be, other than additional structural integrety. OLDLOU>>

11-01-2005, 11:38 AM	#13 (permalink)
eclipse trumpets Piano User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: England Posts: 417	Hi Lou Yes it is mainly structural, but we thought they looked sweet too. They are not any heavier than many of the usual kind as we have only used 3mm thick material, not 5 or 6 mm thick like on some of the heavier Bbs you may see by some folks. This is not a heavy weight cornet at all, the bracing does have great strength though and we feel we have mangaed to make one of the strongest cornets out there without going heavy. The mouthpiece reciever will change to the Eclipse type (which has been tested already),and as i've said before the triggers are not yet decided upon. But nothing that will alter the sound of what we now have! I didnt want sheet bracing at the top to the mouthpipe or bell as i believe it does not allow the cornet to speak as well as it does with our smaller yet stable alternative. You may see that we have 2 braces from valve section to bell (one from the first valve and one from the third. And only one between mouthpipe and the valves section! We have positioned this brace on the 3rd, which has been done for 2 reasons. 1 That is how the cornet responded and sounded best in our opinion 2 It is far stronger to have it at that point than on the 2nd valve. A lot of damage occurs on cornets to the leadpipe just after the normal 2nd valve brace as there is a lot of pipe hanging out still that is easy to bend when it takes a fall. The bore is 470 LB and is nicely balanced with the mouthpipe to give a nice even blow and response. We are only offering the 2 different type of bell options (red or yellow brass) As usual all Eclipse products come with a set of heavy caps to mess around with. We still have not settled on a price yet, but hope to within the next day or so. Best Wishes Leigh __________________ Eclipse Trumpets Eclipsetrumpets.com

11-01-2005, 11:58 AM	#14 (permalink)
oldlou Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi. Posts: 658	Bracing I know that it looks old fashioned to some, but, I wonder if you tried a rear brace from the m/p receiver to the near rear side of the first valve housing, as was done on Holton's Clarke model of old and no bracing to the bell forward of the valve body,( third valve housing). On the subject of the old Holton Clarke Model, it looks to me,( personal opinion) that you did take a long and strong look at it while designing your trumpet with the extra loop in the bellpipe. BTW, my Clarke Model looks so much like your design that many people think that I am playing an Eclipse. Does yours have a cornet m/p receiver like my old Clarke model or, did you use a trumpet m/p receiver? OLDLOU>>

11-01-2005, 02:19 PM	#15 (permalink)
eclipse trumpets Piano User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: England Posts: 417	Hi Lou Now you have made me very curious! I have to say in all honesty that i have not yet come across the model you mention, at least have never had one in for repair ever. I would be extremely interested to see it! Any chance of some pics? So if there is any likeness i assure you it is maybe only due to designers thinking the same way but in different decades ? I would like to see it though. Any Chance? Best Wishes Leigh __________________ Eclipse Trumpets Eclipsetrumpets.com

11-01-2005, 02:31 PM	#16 (permalink)
oldlou Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi. Posts: 658	Holton Clarke Model cornet I can take some pics for you, but, I will have to send them to you via 'snail mail', as I am not suffiently expert with the computor to send them via email. If this is o.k. with you let me know. Another way would be if someone more computor savvy than I am has an old Clarke Model and could stand in for me with photo's. BTW, there were two variations on this model extended cornet. One had a sheherds crook. The other,like mine looks just like your manufacture. OLDLOU>>

11-01-2005, 02:39 PM	#17 (permalink)
TotalEclipse Pianissimo User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brisbane in OZ Posts: 151	Lou, if you have a digital camera or scanner you can send them to me and I post it online. send to damiansearles@gmail.com

11-01-2005, 02:39 PM	#18 (permalink)
eclipse trumpets Piano User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: England Posts: 417	Wow You mean the Equinox Trumpet we make i think. The one with the extra wrap at the back, that ends up being our tuning slide back there. Never heard of the one you have mentioned but i do have an old old old horn in the workshops that was built pretty much the same as our set up but is a cornet like yours. I cannot remember who made it ? i think something like the "American Band Company!? I'll take a look tommorow now you have me thinking. The real reason the Equinox came into being was because of a very persuasive, lovely lady in Georgia. She (Meg) came to me asking for one of our Bb trumpets but made shorter like her cornet, as she preferred that. We constructed it for her and then found that other folks also liked it for certain things so we kept it in our range. It has closer slotting and a sound that is hard to describe! I hear trumpet, cornet and some flugel when its played (my opinion) I wouls be happy to recieve some pics any way you can send them. Thankyou Lou Leigh __________________ Eclipse Trumpets Eclipsetrumpets.com

11-01-2005, 02:40 PM	#19 (permalink)
TrentAustin Moderator Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,586	IMO the Eclipse doesn't look like a Clarke Model. I think I have a pic here: of the non-shepards crooked one. I think the triggers remind me of Boosey Cornets and the profile without the bell reminds me of my Olds Opera model cornet. The .470 bore would also be like my Olds Cornet. Leigh, how do the bell shapes compare (I think the Opera is the widest bell I've ever seen on a cornet with the exception of the Monettes). Best, Trent __________________ Trent Austin lurking around. If you want to chat PM me. http://www.trentaustin.com http://www.onlinejazzimprovisation.com

11-01-2005, 02:43 PM	#20 (permalink)
eclipse trumpets Piano User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: England Posts: 417	Thanks Damo __________________ Eclipse Trumpets Eclipsetrumpets.com

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