tom turner

Hi Rgale,

It won't matter what you write. Bach/Selmer/UMI/Steinway is concerned with their very survival.

A 4% profit is NOT a sustainable, quality performance for a corporation and it wouldn't take much of a hit to put 'em quickly, and irreversably, in the red.

If the company went belly up everyone would be out of work too. At least they are trying to hang on until some tarrifs can be put together in congress to drive up the Chinese import costs to protect the music business.

Hopefully this strike stuff will bring it to the attention of enough people in America who care to allow folks to get Congress off their butts. That's our best hope right now for the survival of this company.

The Chinese are coming otherwise, and the handwriting is on the wall . . . at least to the executives charged with holding a company together and keeping all their employees working!

I remember in the '70s when the same thing happened . . . from Japan. Stiff tarrifs forced 'em to build products in the US . . . and that kept jobs in America.

Tom

Rgale

Tom, I agree with you on tariffs. What genius decided it was ok to have our goods get a tariff going into China, but not the other way around?
This is totally unfair to the workers at Bach.

Having said that, the management is still crazy to do this. They will kill the goose that is laying the only golden eggs that company has left!

I will not recommend them if the quality goes down the tubes, and if they get the huge pay cut and sending the student horns to China, that's the only outcome that I can see happening!

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PhatmonB6

anybody seen this new horn??

http://unitedmusical.com/article.php?id=122

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cornetguy

unfortunatly tarriffs against China probably wont happen, unless the US government is into working for the Chineese. because they are one of our biggest creditors. all we have to do is tick the Chineese off and they will demand repayment on the debt.

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Manny Laureano

It would seem that the worst of it occurred during the reign of yet another genius:

http://usinfo.state.gov/ei/Archive/2.../12-31762.html

It was during that time that, as cornetguy states, we became a debtor nation (not to mention handing over nuclear secrets).

ML

ertatta

this is all quite depressing and seems indicative of what this nation will face in the future.. could be our demise as THE "superpower". i very much agree with manny and applaud him for posting this link in reference to the "genius of bill clinton".. what a joke of a president for this great nation!
I do think we should all be supportive of the Vincent Bach workforce that is in a situation we would never want for ourselves. Strads have and continue to be the reference that all other pro trumpets are judged by and for good reason!!!!!!!!

talcito

Do not worry, I am sure that when you start having problems with your Chinese made horn you will call and get great customer service.......from India.

Rgale

The fact is that both political parties are far too beholden to the large corperations. You can blame Clinton for the huge trade deficits, but you can't say the Republicans did anything about them , can you?
And Part of the reason we can't stand up to the Chinese is they own such huge quantities of our debt, and Reagan and the two Bushes are responsible for the lion's share of that. Trying to blame this on Clinton is a bit much.
This is a very sad day for me. I have played Bachs for years and recommended them many times, and I will no longer be able to . If the workers are forced into a 40% pay cut, the quality will suffer as many of them leave. If the student horns go to China, they will drop in quality. Either way, the market share Bach now enjoys will drop as the perception of quality drops.
The new Bach trumpets have been very fine; the Chicago C, the New York model, and the new piccolo is one of the best. This is a tragedy!

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R,

Nobody got all political about this thread until you did, okay? Folks were talking about Bach trumpets. You brought the presidential aspect of it and it got handed back to you. Now you say "well, both parties are to blame". Everybody knows that. You conveniently left that out of your "genius" refrence so, please, don't make it seem like anybody attacked Clinton out the blue, all right?

ML