gzent

Yes, I had a lot of incorrect ideas about trumpet repair until I started observing and working next to a real NAPBIRT brass repairman.

Its amazing the things he can do in a few minutes with the right tools that would take me hours. Someday I WILL reach his level expertise.

Greg

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Deecy

Gzent said:" Spend some time working in a brass repair shop and you may learn something."

As much as I learned in a precision machine shop for most of my youth working on piston aircraft engines?

What's usually learned in brass repair shops is hand-me-down technique and has very little to do with sound machining principles. Been there, done that. Sorry.

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trpt2345

Who's a thunk such a simple question would provoke so many heated answers. Makes me afraid to ask a complicated question, like what's proper way to play a Bb major scale.

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gzent

Great, so you are an expert at piston aircraft engines. So what? The principles and materials involved are vastly different than what is important to brass instrument operation and repair. That's why brass instrument repairmen learn at certified instrument repair schools, not at aircraft engine repair schools.

Maybe if you spent some time with a NAPBIRT certified brass technician you would see the difference firsthand?

Sorry, right back at you.

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trumpet blower88

I normaly try to stay out of these kind of disscussions, but I'm going to have to side with gzent on this one. Deecy, it's great that you know about aircraft engines and all, but I fail to see how aircraft engines have anything to do with with brass instruments.

It seems to me like this has turned into a "battle of the egos" (haha, typical trumpet players, right?). Anyways, since gzents ego is based of brass repair experiance and Deecy's is bassed off aircraft engines, my vote is for gzent, sorry Deecy.


BTW: The whole talk about egos was not ment to be a slam on anyone, as a trumpet player I think an ego is a good thing...

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Deecy

Ah well, let it go. You're right, I'm wrong. The engineering principles, metals, and machining are totally different, as are lubrication requirements. In fact, the two metals in a trumpet's valve system make the metals in an aircraft engine look absolutely primitive. And as for one metal rubbing against another - well - no contest! Anybody who has merely to deal with the problems in internal combustion engines has a long way to go to catch up with those of the complicated mechanism of a modern trumpet.
I stand corrected and offer a humble apology.
I guess ignorance is bliss. eh? Who knew?

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