King High

Tom
I seem to be following you around here this morning.
This is Jack's corner here - but I thought I might clarify some things.
I absolutely agree with your assessment of the the 610. Unlike the 'throw-away' student trumpets being marketed by other manufacturers, the best way to describe the 610 is as one that will be passed to the next generations. Unfortunately, The market is not demanding better quality - it is demanding CHEAPER. Kanstul does not make a cheap trumpet and does not desire to try to fill this niche.
that's my take.
The one that was sent to Atlanta was actually one that I had played in my teaching studio for nearly a year. The price differential there was one of the things that was remarkable - but Tom, it was higher than you remember - and it was also disounted because it was a 'demo' .
The other factor in the pricing was that Zig had offered these horns to dealers at an incredible quantity discount at that time.

Interestingly, the quality of the student horns is one of the things that
impressed me the most with Kanstul to begin with. I was in a land of Bachs and Yamahas and Kings, and seeing one POS after another for student horns. different story - even with the Kansutl made Bessons that were out. It ws the only student horn I would have considered playable on a professional gig.

BTW - the one I use in the studio now I've converted to Amado keys. I've also looked into building more of these- as the capability is obviously there. What I discovered is that the 700 is virtually the same horn already - with the changes I would make to it if I were to have them built, which would be with a fixed slide ring, a real 3rd stop- (hate those plastic gizmos- even though Eternas had them ...), water keys that don't splash the bell and a 1st slide saddle. The other difference on the 610 is the brace. In comparing the 2 playing wise, I think that is the difference. The 610 is a very stable horn and slots right in, - the 700 feels a little easier to project. that's my take. Intonation with both horns is really incredible. I haven't seen anything come close in that price range of even the 700.


PC
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tom turner

Hi PC,

I'm burning a vacation day today rather than lose it tomorrow (my company doesn't roll over unused vacation days and tomorrow is my 17th year with the company).

Welcome aboard. I didn't know that was you.

It's great to have a fine person, player-teacher and Kanstul dealer like you over here on the TM site!

Sorry if my numbers were off on the selling price. You would know obviously, for you graciously supplied all those great Kanstul horns and the Zeus for the test . . . and that nice little 610 was snapped up by a wise player here in Georgia!

It's great to also hear that the 700 is basically the same horn!

Warmest regards,

Tom

camel lips

AS I reported on Th,I got a hold of a 610 and fell in love with it.

The water keys are but a minor in convenience.I can live with that.I might go to the expense of having them changed over but to tell you the truth It kind of just looks right on that horn.It gives it that distinctive "look' of a old ambassador and sets it apart from the rest of the pack.

I play in a local community band and most of the guys have Bach strads.Its nice looking down the line and realizing that there is another guy holding a olds ambassador with the same water keys.WE just kind of looked at each other an nodded our head like we know something they don't.

The 610 has that raw brass sound that is not deep like a bach and personally I like that sound in a horn for Jazz and Marching.It might not set well in a concert setting or a symphony but i like the heck out of it.

I want to thank Tom Turner again for steering me to wards this horn.I would have bought another if they had one left,I like the horn so much.

There is one left floating around on ebay from a Kanstul authorized dealer.He says he has a couple left at $428 bucks.His name is Cameron's music.I think he is getting out of the Kanstul line.If you still want one try and give him a call.

Jack has a good thing going with the rent to own plan.At $40 bucks a month any parent that cannot afford to go out and buy one off the shelf should certainly look into that.With his $800 refund credit to wards any signature series it is certainly a great deal in its own respect.

Kanstulbrass

As anyone who has visited my office can attest: I usually have a 610 within arm's reach of my desk! Yes, the horn has been discontinued. The American student market will very shortly belong to offshore manufacturers. Perhaps the chinese/indian bubble will burst someday and every young player will benefit from a quality Kanstul 610...

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Charles Hargett
Sales and Marketing
Kanstul Musical Instruments

dHoff

It will never happen if you keep the 610 on the "discontinued list". It's a terrible thing!

With the rent to own package, which I imagine could be extended through dealers, It has to be possible!