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Tootsall · 11-06-2005, 06:04 PM

Same thread is running on the "other" forum. Per one of the guys over "there"who specializes in repairs, lacquer does NOT adhere well to sterling silver bells. If you want long life of the finish, have it silver plated.

I'd tend to go with that reasoning: have a chance to play a King Silver-sonic cornet every week... no lacquer on the bell (gold wash interior) but the rest of the horn is lacquered.

Selmer probably made a big goof when they elected to ship them out in lacquer.

Plus, Selmer use a different (older?) type of lacquer from the newer, epoxy lacquers.

Invite them to suggest that the lacquer wasn't a good idea in the first place and offer to return and replace your horn with one in silver plate until they are ready to ship the new one. Or not... as suits your fancy.

thetrumpetmaster · 11-06-2005, 07:42 PM

No Mr. Laureno, they sent me no horn. They did not tell me that they were going to trash my horn, nor did they give me the choice of getting mine back or recieving a new one. This is why I am upset. If I had the horn right now, I could care less. I am playing on a loaner from a friend of mine, and luckily it is an ok horn...but again, that's not the point. I was not taken care of.

6 hours to Elkhart is pretty far, and since I am in college, I don't have time to get up there to spend any time to pick out a horn. There may be somewhere in Louisville, but i would rather go to Cinncinatti. But still, besides the point...this isn't about me picking out a horn, it is about me getting a horn back from Selmer. They destroyed what is mine, without notifying me, and no matter whether they are going to replace it, I had a right to know.

The reason I don't want bad relations with the company is because I like their horns. I want to keep playing them, and if anything comes up in the future, I don't want relational problems because I am Julian Kaplan and I did whatever to the Bach company.

And yeah, I am aware why the bell is laquered. Sterling silver apparently tarnishes must faster, which I could tell where the laquer had peeled off the bell on mine. This is why they laquer it. Why they can't get it to stick is past me. But yeah, I can't offer to return my horn, since I don't have it...so I am stuck playing the borrowed one until January...because of poor communication on their part.

Manny Laureano · 11-06-2005, 08:32 PM

Well, that's just sick, Julien. So, you're out a horn and will have nothing but a loaner from a friend until January?!

Demand your money back and buy another brand instrument. The competition is too good today to deal with that kind of nonsense. Who cares who gets annoyed at the Bach factory?

If your story is accurate, I'm behind you 100%.

ML

bandman · 11-06-2005, 08:37 PM

Hey Julien,

If they give you your money back I suggest you use part of it as a down payment on an Eclipse and finance the rest of it. You will be out of pocket a bit more money, but you will have a super fine horn!

I'm so sorry you are having these problems. It is just not fair!

oldlou · 11-06-2005, 08:41 PM

Not a Harrelson? Have you fallen out of love so soon?

OLDLOU>>

Heavens2kadonka · 11-06-2005, 08:41 PM

If a company does something affecting the paying customer without letting them know, then the paying customer has a RIGHT to let them know they are displeased.

This is not an issue of relational problems. They did something without telling you, and you are not pleased with that lack of courtesy. Maybe they forgot to tell you, an oversight. Its possible, Selmer oversees so much production.

You need to speak with a rep from Selmer.

Van

bandman · 11-06-2005, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldlou

Not a Harrelson? Have you fallen out of love so soon?

OLDLOU>>

Oh no Lou,

I still love my Harrelson! It is by far the finest instrument I have ever played, but he can get an Eclipse for about $3500 in silver. I think to get a custom Harrelson like mine you could add a couple thousand on top of that -- or he could buy mine for say $8000. I wouldn't give it up for a penny less.

I love my Harrelson so very much, but I'd also love to own an Eclipse. For me it could be an LC with a gold plated finish! super dark when you want super dark, but with lots of pop when you want it to sizzle!

My dream would be to keep my Harrelson C and add an Eclipse Bb to my collection. Someday I'd also like to have one of the new Harrelson Bb trumpets, but I'm having trouble paying my monthly medical bills so I think for now I'll tick to my old 30,XXX Bach Strad., that is unless I could work out a trade with either Leigh at Eclipse or with Jason Harrelson! They are the only two guys in the world I'd be willing to trade my old Bach straight up!

brian moon · 11-06-2005, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldlou

My father gave me his sterling belled King Silvertone trumpet, made in 1932. It never had any lacquer on any portion of the instrument. I do remember using whiting and alcohol to keep it clean and bright on a frequent basis, like perhaps, once every two or three months. It was such a fine horn that I didn't consider that to be an onerous chore. BTW, it was a silverplated horn with a solid sterling silver leadpipe and bell. I hope that whoever stole it from me choked to death on one of the mouthpieces that went with the horn and the Selmer zipper closure case.

OLDLOU>>

Every Silvertone or Silversonic that I have seen was originally lacquered over the silver. Are you certain that yours wan't originally, Lou?

Whoever stole it is probably dead or in jail. You can take solace in the fact that is how those types almost always wind up.

oldlou · 11-06-2005, 11:39 PM

My horn was a horn built by H.N.White in 1932. It was a Super 20 Symphonic model Silvertone. I am absolutely positive that it never had any lacquer on any portion of the horn. When my dad gave me his horn, he told me that I had to keep it polished. He gave me the whiting and made sure that I had access to a supply of denatured alcohol to keep it clean and polished. If it had ever been lacquer coated, he would have told me that and I would have been instructed to use a clean,dry, soft cloth to wipe it after each use.

OLDLOU>>

murph66 · 11-07-2005, 11:48 AM

This is the kind of thing that made me decide to call Roy Lawler when I wanted a new horn about a year ago. I've been happy with my horn ever since I received it- exactly when he said I would.

11-06-2005, 08:37 PM	#14 (permalink)
bandman Forte User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lafayette, LA, USA Posts: 1,041	Hey Julien, If they give you your money back I suggest you use part of it as a down payment on an Eclipse and finance the rest of it. You will be out of pocket a bit more money, but you will have a super fine horn! I'm so sorry you are having these problems. It is just not fair! __________________

11-06-2005, 08:41 PM	#15 (permalink)
oldlou Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi. Posts: 679	Hey Dave Not a Harrelson? Have you fallen out of love so soon? OLDLOU>> __________________ Couturier trumpet York Master Model trumpet York Elite trumpet York Airflow cornet King super 20 Master Model cornet King Liberty trumpet Reynolds Professional cornet Bohm & Meinl professional trumpet Besson 10-10 trumpet with Holton M.F. bell Olds Special cornet Los Angeles B&H Sovereign cornet G.R.Band Instr. cornet Getzen Super Deluxe trumpet and cornet Getzen Deluxe trumpet and cornet Many others no room to list

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Heavens2kadonka Forte User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Carthage, TN Posts: 1,283	If a company does something affecting the paying customer without letting them know, then the paying customer has a RIGHT to let them know they are displeased. This is not an issue of relational problems. They did something without telling you, and you are not pleased with that lack of courtesy. Maybe they forgot to tell you, an oversight. Its possible, Selmer oversees so much production. You need to speak with a rep from Selmer. Van __________________ Stage 1 California Light '94 Bach Strad 37 1900 Eb Cornet LOUD Steve Patrick 10 1/2 C LOUD LM93

11-06-2005, 11:39 PM	#19 (permalink)
oldlou Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi. Posts: 679	Silvertone trumpet My horn was a horn built by H.N.White in 1932. It was a Super 20 Symphonic model Silvertone. I am absolutely positive that it never had any lacquer on any portion of the horn. When my dad gave me his horn, he told me that I had to keep it polished. He gave me the whiting and made sure that I had access to a supply of denatured alcohol to keep it clean and polished. If it had ever been lacquer coated, he would have told me that and I would have been instructed to use a clean,dry, soft cloth to wipe it after each use. OLDLOU>> __________________ Couturier trumpet York Master Model trumpet York Elite trumpet York Airflow cornet King super 20 Master Model cornet King Liberty trumpet Reynolds Professional cornet Bohm & Meinl professional trumpet Besson 10-10 trumpet with Holton M.F. bell Olds Special cornet Los Angeles B&H Sovereign cornet G.R.Band Instr. cornet Getzen Super Deluxe trumpet and cornet Getzen Deluxe trumpet and cornet Many others no room to list

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11-06-2005, 06:04 PM	#11 (permalink)
Tootsall Fortissimo User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Yee HAW! Posts: 4,641	Same thread is running on the "other" forum. Per one of the guys over "there"who specializes in repairs, lacquer does NOT adhere well to sterling silver bells. If you want long life of the finish, have it silver plated. I'd tend to go with that reasoning: have a chance to play a King Silver-sonic cornet every week... no lacquer on the bell (gold wash interior) but the rest of the horn is lacquered. Selmer probably made a big goof when they elected to ship them out in lacquer. Plus, Selmer use a different (older?) type of lacquer from the newer, epoxy lacquers. Invite them to suggest that the lacquer wasn't a good idea in the first place and offer to return and replace your horn with one in silver plate until they are ready to ship the new one. Or not... as suits your fancy.

11-06-2005, 07:42 PM	#12 (permalink)
thetrumpetmaster New Friend Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 23	No Mr. Laureno, they sent me no horn. They did not tell me that they were going to trash my horn, nor did they give me the choice of getting mine back or recieving a new one. This is why I am upset. If I had the horn right now, I could care less. I am playing on a loaner from a friend of mine, and luckily it is an ok horn...but again, that's not the point. I was not taken care of. 6 hours to Elkhart is pretty far, and since I am in college, I don't have time to get up there to spend any time to pick out a horn. There may be somewhere in Louisville, but i would rather go to Cinncinatti. But still, besides the point...this isn't about me picking out a horn, it is about me getting a horn back from Selmer. They destroyed what is mine, without notifying me, and no matter whether they are going to replace it, I had a right to know. The reason I don't want bad relations with the company is because I like their horns. I want to keep playing them, and if anything comes up in the future, I don't want relational problems because I am Julian Kaplan and I did whatever to the Bach company. And yeah, I am aware why the bell is laquered. Sterling silver apparently tarnishes must faster, which I could tell where the laquer had peeled off the bell on mine. This is why they laquer it. Why they can't get it to stick is past me. But yeah, I can't offer to return my horn, since I don't have it...so I am stuck playing the borrowed one until January...because of poor communication on their part.

11-06-2005, 08:32 PM	#13 (permalink)
Manny Laureano Utimate User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 5,989	Well, that's just sick, Julien. So, you're out a horn and will have nothing but a loaner from a friend until January?! Demand your money back and buy another brand instrument. The competition is too good today to deal with that kind of nonsense. Who cares who gets annoyed at the Bach factory? If your story is accurate, I'm behind you 100%. ML

11-07-2005, 11:48 AM	#20 (permalink)
murph66 New Friend Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 37	This is the kind of thing that made me decide to call Roy Lawler when I wanted a new horn about a year ago. I've been happy with my horn ever since I received it- exactly when he said I would.

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