rowuk

Stéphane,
I think we just need to attribute this problem to some mismatch between you, the mouthpiece and the trumpet. It has to be one or more of the three!
There is no technical explanation for only ONE SINGLE NOTE like low C# being out of tune. The Schilke tuning slides are long enough and their piece to piece consistency is exemplary. So that leaves the mouthpiece or you. I have done a fair amount of mouthpiece research and am not aware of ANY combination of factors that could change just that low C#.
The only thing left is you, which should not be taken as an insult. If your current horn has a stuffy low C#, you may just be used to "sort of" lipping it in tune, that may be a habit that showed itself in a negative fashion on the Schilke. That does not mean that you SHOULD buy the Schilke, it just means what you experienced is VERY unusual and should lead to posts like yours. You may be on to something that could improve YOUR playing, especially the low C#!

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camelbrass

I'm going to throw this out there and see if it sticks.

I've found that different trumpets respond very differently to 123 valve combinations in particular. Some have a real hump in the blow between the C and the C# caused by any one of a hundred things. I wonder if the note is either freer than you expect or tighter than you expect.


Just a thought.


Regards,


Trevor

brunets

Rowuck:

No, don't worry I don't take your comments as an insult. I know I am not Wynton Marsalis nor Maurice André and have a lot of room for improvement. I asked on this forum to find out which could have been wrong, so I have to accept any constructive comments (like yours).

I will not buy a Schilke because it's a Schilke. I will buy a trumpet with which works best for me, whatever the brand.

rowuk

I think the C# slots really well on the Schilke and that makes tuning more critical than on more "standard" instruments. Less leeway for the lipping!

brunets has the right attitude - give several things a fair chance, if something appears unusual - blow it out into the open and make a decision later.

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ozboy

There are many factors that may cause this including mouthpiece compatability and mouthpiece fit (the gap). I play a B5 and the tuning is superb,but I made sure the mouthpiece was adjusted to fit the horn.

Jimi Michiel

I haven't has experience with Schilke B-flats, but I can say from my experience with their high horns (Eb and picc) that, while they're aren't really lemons, they aren't as consistent as some make them out to be. A good friend here in Minnesota spent months trying out different P5-4s before he finally found one that he liked. My P5-4 plays seems to have a little more resistance than many others I've played. (I bought mine off of eBay when I was in high school, so I'm only noticing this now) My E3L plays pretty well in tune without much work, but I've played others that I've really had to pay attention to. Bottom line: try before you buy.

-Jimi

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bilboinsa

Anything is possible. Once in a while Schilke may have a lemon escape, but that would be a very rare bird, I believe. Note the word "believe". I do not know if stats are kept on returned horns. If they were, based on what I have heard on this board and on TH, it seems that Schilke would be near the top regarding quality control.

Do not take this as an insult--it certainly is not meant to be one, but did the store owner also play the horn? I feel there is more of a chance that the Korg was set wrong, or malfunctioning than the Schilke. Did anyone else (friend...other customers...) play it and have this sensation?

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Schilke B2
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1927 Conn 22B New York Symphony

"In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole, and that means comfort."

bilboinsa

Wise beyond your years!

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Schilke B2
Kanstul 1525
1927 Conn 22B New York Symphony

"In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole, and that means comfort."

QuebecSOP

Stéphane, You're so wright. I supposed you talk about a music store who begin by the letter T and finished by 2 WW !!!!

I just bought à Schilke B1 4 weeks ago. In Montréal they sell the Schilke more than 3500$, I buy mine 1975$ Brand new in United States, no taxes!!!! What a steal. The difference is even bigger for the Yamaha Trumpet, I will never pay 2700$ for a Xeno!!!

For the Schilke, you have to know that the little green felt on top of the valves will take is place after a couple of month. This cause the valves to not being perfectly aligned for the first month. With a 123 valves combinaison it's normal that the horn will be Sharp for a brand new Schilke. Just "broke" the valves, and press firmly the valves to compress the felts and you will notice a difference in the intonation and air flowing........

I just love my B1. My first choice was the Yamaha 8335RGS, but after playing the Schilke, I simply changed my mind.

The trumpet is "bright" and project really far in front of the bell, The sound is full, rich, alive. When I want a "darker" sound, I put my Magnum Hex CCAPS from Curry and this trumpet blend in a symphonic setting perfectly. I play in big Band, Brass quintet, harmonie, etc... and I only use this trumpet for everything, sometime I put a JK flugle mouthpiece in and the trumpet sound almost like a real flugle. Not so bad for a trumpet known for is "bright" sound.

This trumpet will give you exactly wath you asking and what you want. Just visualize a note, a sound or a tone color and the trumpet will not lie to you!!!

Schilke have really veratile trumpet, probably the more versatile trumpet ever made. That my own opinion

I hope this will help.

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Schilke B1
Schilke 15 Heavy - Curry 70M - Bach 3E

Miyot

I like these Schilke threads. I just got a B1 about 6 weeks ago. I love the horn more every day. I did play a Getzen(a really good horn as well). I have to throw the 3rd valve slide, but not as far as I did on the Getzen. I think rowuk is correct. At least my B1 slots C# very well. And I was lipping down with the Getzen. This habit had to be changed on the Schilke. Give the Schilke another try. I can feel mine ring in my hand. Give the horn thing some time. This is all great fun. Choose the horn you like best. Take a friend with you to listen and help judge.