Selmer Paris Concept TT - another view - Page 2

jazzalive · 04-03-2004, 04:13 AM

Try Best Music Company out in Oakland. www.bestmusicco.com. That's where I bought mine. They occassionally get them in stock, and they ship anywhere. Beware there are some internet companys that claim to offer these horns, but I'd steer clear unless you've heard reports from others.

BTW, I love my TT. Better than many other horns I've tried.

Tim

Adam Smith · 10-04-2006, 10:23 PM

Hi,
I am looking for a new horn and the tt looks very nice. I am a collge player studying trumpet performance. I currently play on a bach aniversiry strad with a 37 bell and reverse leadpipe. it is a very nice horn and I am pretty used to the way it plays. I would probly like a bigger bore for a darker sound. What I would like to know is if the concept tt or the chorus will also blend with the section. I will be playing this trumpet for symphonic band's, solo work, bigger jazz bands, combos, and pretty much any playing situation. Also, are there any other horn's you might recoment for allaround playing?
Thanks

Voltrane · 10-05-2006, 02:08 AM

Hello,

Dave, I always read your posts with a lot of interest! Did you try (or anyone else) the TTM (Maillechort leadpipe TT) that is on sale now? Opinion?
Cheers
Marc

dcstep · 10-07-2006, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Smith

Hi,
I am looking for a new horn and the tt looks very nice. I am a collge player studying trumpet performance. I currently play on a bach aniversiry strad with a 37 bell and reverse leadpipe. it is a very nice horn and I am pretty used to the way it plays. I would probly like a bigger bore for a darker sound. What I would like to know is if the concept tt or the chorus will also blend with the section. I will be playing this trumpet for symphonic band's, solo work, bigger jazz bands, combos, and pretty much any playing situation. Also, are there any other horn's you might recoment for allaround playing?

I've used the TT in all those situations with positive effect. Several times I've played oratorio type situations where the other trumpet was a Bach C and the blend was always very good. It's strong points are in solo, big band, combos and rock/funk/soul. The only limitation I've found is trumpet ensemble, where we trade licks among the parts, then the darker timbre of the TT sticks out. I use my K-Mod for those situations, so keep your 37 if you buy a TT, unless you never play in that situation.

Blending is all about listening I think. If you listen for the other parts and make your trumpet resonate in sympathy with the others then you'll blend. No matter what horn I play, my tone is darker than most others in the section, but when we get resonating together it sounds like one big trumpet. I really love playing classical with only one or two other trumpets because the TT allows you to shape and blend so easily I often have that "one trumpet" experience.

Dave

dcstep · 10-07-2006, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voltrane

Dave, I always read your posts with a lot of interest! Did you try (or anyone else) the TTM (Maillechort leadpipe TT) that is on sale now? Opinion?

Oh no, something else to try...

Marc, this is the first I've heard of it. I'm doubting that it's available in the USA yet. Could you buy one and send it over for me to try?

Conn-Selmer (the US distributor for SP) is in such disarray that I can't even get them on the phone to talk about the Rocky Mountain Trumpet Fest, much less try a new TT. Hopefully they'll get their act together and I'll be able to talk intelligently about the latest Selmer Paris offering.

What do you know about the TTM?

Dave

Voltrane · 10-09-2006, 05:35 AM

Hello,

Dave, buying horns for each other is a very good idea. I would be very happy to try some Monette, Wild Things and some other horns that can be found in every supermarkets in the States but are not so common here (only Selmer Paris can be found in supermarkets)...When you are ready with a significant sample of each, tell me, my private jet will immediately take off to Denver...

I have no real information about the TTM (M stands for "Maillechort"). I only saw recently this :

http://www.aremus.com/produit.asp?de...02337314891994

The advertisement is very basic: it says the TTM is "easier" than the TT because of the "maillechort" leadpipe. According to my dictionnary, "maillechort" is the french name for an alloy of copper,zinc and nickel.
Why is it easier than with the standard leadpipe? No explanation.
In the Selmer Paris website, there is no TTM...
I hope I can see and try one.
Regards
Marc

dcstep · 10-09-2006, 09:43 AM

Hmm, sounds like they may add even more mass to the leadpipe. I'd be interested in some different tapers.

tptaddict · 10-09-2006, 10:39 PM

FINALLY!!! I have found someone else who plays on a TT. I am a second year college student and have played on the TT for about 5 years. I really love the deep, dark sound. It also has a really great feel. Especially in the middle and lower register. A couple things that I have noticed: Intonation on D,E-flat, and E, on the staff is pretty rough. More so than on other horns. Also, be VERY CAREFUL with that finish. I have the same and it is very delicate. It dents easily, and the bell has even bent under the weight of the horn from sitting on my trumpet stand (which may be part of the intonation problem). I know it sounds like I don't take very good care of my horn, but I do, it is just very fragile. Had I known this when I bought it, I would have been more careful. In addition, I have recently realized that it backs up a lot at higher dynamics and in the upper register (on a bach 3c mouthpiece). This is the biggest problem I have with it. But I know a lot of guys who like more resistance for jazz and rock type stuff, so it should be perfect for what you are doing. As a result, I have decided to go to a different horn for classical stuff, but am keeping the TT for small ensemble jazz. It is perfect for that sort of thing. Don't get the wrong impression, it is an absolutely wonderful horn, I have just noticed a few quirks over the years, and i am sure you will be very happy with it. Have fun gig'n with the new horn.

dcstep · 10-10-2006, 10:47 PM

tptaddict, I used alternative fingerings for the E and Eb, but lip the D. It was improved after I got a precision valve alignment, but it still centers more easily with the alternative valves.

I haven't had any trouble with the finish, such that mine's 100% after 3-years. Be careful of the floating leadpipe. I slightly misaligned mine, but moved it right back. The valves are absolutely wonderful and the tone is big and round without being dull.

Dave

mttyg · 02-16-2008, 07:24 PM

I made a trip today to Chuck Levin's Washington Music Center with an open mind. I hadn't considered the TT until Lee Walkovich (one of the dealers) put it in my hand with a insistent reccomendation. I'm not the strongest player, having just picked up the horn after a few year break, but I noticed a tremendous increase in tonal quality and playability. I've been playing a Bach Stradivarius model 43, what a difference. Thanks for the post guys, this is good stuff an gives me some insight on making a decision on whether to lay down those big bucks.

04-03-2004, 04:13 AM	#11 (permalink)
jazzalive New Friend Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Central California Posts: 11	Try Best Music Company out in Oakland. www.bestmusicco.com. That's where I bought mine. They occassionally get them in stock, and they ship anywhere. Beware there are some internet companys that claim to offer these horns, but I'd steer clear unless you've heard reports from others. BTW, I love my TT. Better than many other horns I've tried. Tim __________________ Selmer-Paris Concept TT www.jazztrumpeter.com

10-09-2006, 09:43 AM	#17 (permalink)
dcstep Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 680	Hmm, sounds like they may add even more mass to the leadpipe. I'd be interested in some different tapers. __________________ Schilke '60 B1 Selmer Paris -- '57 #20 K-Modified/ '03 Concept TT w/ GR66.8B2.8 '94 Lawler TL cornet w/ Sparx 2B Conn Vintage One flugel - GR66FD www.pitpops.com www.ucm-inc.com Rocky Mountain Trumpet Fest

10-10-2006, 10:47 PM	#19 (permalink)
dcstep Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 680	tptaddict, I used alternative fingerings for the E and Eb, but lip the D. It was improved after I got a precision valve alignment, but it still centers more easily with the alternative valves. I haven't had any trouble with the finish, such that mine's 100% after 3-years. Be careful of the floating leadpipe. I slightly misaligned mine, but moved it right back. The valves are absolutely wonderful and the tone is big and round without being dull. Dave __________________ Schilke '60 B1 Selmer Paris -- '57 #20 K-Modified/ '03 Concept TT w/ GR66.8B2.8 '94 Lawler TL cornet w/ Sparx 2B Conn Vintage One flugel - GR66FD www.pitpops.com www.ucm-inc.com Rocky Mountain Trumpet Fest

02-16-2008, 07:24 PM	#20 (permalink)
mttyg New Friend Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Charlottesville, VA Posts: 1	Re: Selmer Paris Concept TT - another view I made a trip today to Chuck Levin's Washington Music Center with an open mind. I hadn't considered the TT until Lee Walkovich (one of the dealers) put it in my hand with a insistent reccomendation. I'm not the strongest player, having just picked up the horn after a few year break, but I noticed a tremendous increase in tonal quality and playability. I've been playing a Bach Stradivarius model 43, what a difference. Thanks for the post guys, this is good stuff an gives me some insight on making a decision on whether to lay down those big bucks.

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10-04-2006, 10:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
Adam Smith Pianissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: MTSU Posts: 196	Hi, I am looking for a new horn and the tt looks very nice. I am a collge player studying trumpet performance. I currently play on a bach aniversiry strad with a 37 bell and reverse leadpipe. it is a very nice horn and I am pretty used to the way it plays. I would probly like a bigger bore for a darker sound. What I would like to know is if the concept tt or the chorus will also blend with the section. I will be playing this trumpet for symphonic band's, solo work, bigger jazz bands, combos, and pretty much any playing situation. Also, are there any other horn's you might recoment for allaround playing? Thanks

10-05-2006, 02:08 AM	#13 (permalink)
Voltrane New Friend Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Paris Posts: 12	Hello, Dave, I always read your posts with a lot of interest! Did you try (or anyone else) the TTM (Maillechort leadpipe TT) that is on sale now? Opinion? Cheers Marc

10-09-2006, 05:35 AM	#16 (permalink)
Voltrane New Friend Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Paris Posts: 12	Hello, Dave, buying horns for each other is a very good idea. I would be very happy to try some Monette, Wild Things and some other horns that can be found in every supermarkets in the States but are not so common here (only Selmer Paris can be found in supermarkets)...When you are ready with a significant sample of each, tell me, my private jet will immediately take off to Denver... I have no real information about the TTM (M stands for "Maillechort"). I only saw recently this : http://www.aremus.com/produit.asp?de...02337314891994 The advertisement is very basic: it says the TTM is "easier" than the TT because of the "maillechort" leadpipe. According to my dictionnary, "maillechort" is the french name for an alloy of copper,zinc and nickel. Why is it easier than with the standard leadpipe? No explanation. In the Selmer Paris website, there is no TTM... I hope I can see and try one. Regards Marc

10-09-2006, 10:39 PM	#18 (permalink)
tptaddict New Friend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 1	FINALLY!!! I have found someone else who plays on a TT. I am a second year college student and have played on the TT for about 5 years. I really love the deep, dark sound. It also has a really great feel. Especially in the middle and lower register. A couple things that I have noticed: Intonation on D,E-flat, and E, on the staff is pretty rough. More so than on other horns. Also, be VERY CAREFUL with that finish. I have the same and it is very delicate. It dents easily, and the bell has even bent under the weight of the horn from sitting on my trumpet stand (which may be part of the intonation problem). I know it sounds like I don't take very good care of my horn, but I do, it is just very fragile. Had I known this when I bought it, I would have been more careful. In addition, I have recently realized that it backs up a lot at higher dynamics and in the upper register (on a bach 3c mouthpiece). This is the biggest problem I have with it. But I know a lot of guys who like more resistance for jazz and rock type stuff, so it should be perfect for what you are doing. As a result, I have decided to go to a different horn for classical stuff, but am keeping the TT for small ensemble jazz. It is perfect for that sort of thing. Don't get the wrong impression, it is an absolutely wonderful horn, I have just noticed a few quirks over the years, and i am sure you will be very happy with it. Have fun gig'n with the new horn.

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