Vienna key - Page 2

rowuk · 11-03-2006, 07:11 AM

You have to work much harder to do so! The easiest way is just to push the wrong key down..............

trumpetnick · 11-05-2006, 11:59 AM

Though is not going straight to the subject I though that the following articles
http://www.brass-forum.co.uk/Article...urrayGreig.htm
http://aswltd.com/rotary.htm
http://www.netinstruments.com/a.php?a=33644
may be of interest.

trumpet520 · 11-12-2006, 09:19 PM

sublmbadfish · 11-12-2006, 11:55 PM

The 2 keys on that Schagerl are not water keys but they are keys to take out the harmonic node for the note of Bb (when your trying to hit C) and G (so you can hit A) Prof. Hagstrom brought his in to our excerpt class last week and showed us how they work and they worked great. He tends to sound good on everything though.

trumpetera · 11-14-2006, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowuk

Hi Nick,
the horn in your picture is a Bb instrument with the key nearest the bell for high C (concert Bb) and the other one for high D (concert C). You just point your chops at a high note, push down the appropriate key and Voila - instant high C or D, even at pianissimo! These things sure make Richard Strauss easier!

You can actually use the normal waterkey for the high D as well! (and F on the 5th line, and Bb on top of the staff)

rowuk · 11-20-2006, 08:11 AM

Trumpetera - you are absolutely right.
One thing to watch out for is the spit that comes spraying out when you do so. That is why the keys for tuning are on the top and not on the side like the water key.

Albert Castillo · 01-09-2007, 06:23 AM

Hi,
I play a C Schagerl Hoersdorf Heavy, with two wiener keys and the normal waterkey. So, exactly as in the photo.

left (up on the photo) is a C key that works for high C and too for A flat(G#) too, next is a A Key (not a D Key) that works for A and high C#.

The Waterkey is a "wiener key" too, and works for high D and B flat.

Some model could have another key, the H (B) Key.

I would say it is a very little difference, and most of the time I just forget to use them!!!!About when und who developed that first, I don't know, but is usual in brass bands with rotary trumpets: young people believe, that when they play a high C, and put down the Waterkey, it will sound a high D.

Someone from B&S explained the theory about it, and it must said, that the wiener Key don't work very well if you pull out the main slide too far (note that the relationship of the place of the holes with the length of the instrument is very important).

hmmm... I think maybe I would purchase a extra slide without keys...

11-03-2006, 07:11 AM	#11 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,640	You have to work much harder to do so! The easiest way is just to push the wrong key down.............. __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

11-05-2006, 11:59 AM	#12 (permalink)
trumpetnick Forte User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Vidin, Bulgaria Posts: 1,097	Though is not going straight to the subject I though that the following articles http://www.brass-forum.co.uk/Article...urrayGreig.htm http://aswltd.com/rotary.htm http://www.netinstruments.com/a.php?a=33644 may be of interest. __________________ Spada Bach B flat 72, leadpipe 2L/DWMM1.5C Spada Bach C 256, leadpipe 2LQ/DWMM1.5C 1956 Olds Ambassador Cornet Spada Custom Piccolo If you don't know where you are going, you 'll end up someplace else

11-12-2006, 09:19 PM	#13 (permalink)
trumpet520 Pianissimo User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 80	haha

11-12-2006, 11:55 PM	#14 (permalink)
sublmbadfish Pianissimo User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Chicago Illinois Posts: 74	The 2 keys on that Schagerl are not water keys but they are keys to take out the harmonic node for the note of Bb (when your trying to hit C) and G (so you can hit A) Prof. Hagstrom brought his in to our excerpt class last week and showed us how they work and they worked great. He tends to sound good on everything though. __________________ Butler converted Bach 25H 229 C Yamaha YTR 9830 Piccolo Yamaha John Hagstrom Signature Mp Bb??? maybe sometime soon.

11-20-2006, 08:11 AM	#16 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,640	Trumpetera - you are absolutely right. One thing to watch out for is the spit that comes spraying out when you do so. That is why the keys for tuning are on the top and not on the side like the water key. __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

01-09-2007, 06:23 AM	#17 (permalink)
Albert Castillo Pianissimo User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Munich Posts: 107	Re: Vienna key Hi, I play a C Schagerl Hoersdorf Heavy, with two wiener keys and the normal waterkey. So, exactly as in the photo. left (up on the photo) is a C key that works for high C and too for A flat(G#) too, next is a A Key (not a D Key) that works for A and high C#. The Waterkey is a "wiener key" too, and works for high D and B flat. Some model could have another key, the H (B) Key. I would say it is a very little difference, and most of the time I just forget to use them!!!!About when und who developed that first, I don't know, but is usual in brass bands with rotary trumpets: young people believe, that when they play a high C, and put down the Waterkey, it will sound a high D. Someone from B&S explained the theory about it, and it must said, that the wiener Key don't work very well if you pull out the main slide too far (note that the relationship of the place of the holes with the length of the instrument is very important). hmmm... I think maybe I would purchase a extra slide without keys... __________________ Albert A. Castillo

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