Why Lawler? - Page 2

bkmdano · 01-26-2004, 08:48 PM

Bruce,

Thank you for putting my thoughts into words. I agree the TL6-1a has a very similar blow to the Schilke B1. Like I said before it is a little more open than the B5. Also the quality of the build matches or surpasses Schilke and that is a very high compliment.

bigaggietrumpet · 01-26-2004, 09:19 PM

I was looking at an X4, but that has now changed to either an S22 or S32. Currently, though, a Kanstul 1500 or V-1, or even just a different Strad have pulled away. Reasoning? Well, the problem is price per usage. Let's face it, I'm gonna be a mechanical engineer (I hope), not a musician. It's just too much of a hobby, and I'm nowhere NEAR good enough to even get into a college. So, really, I don't need something as nice as a Lawler, or even a Schilke. So for those who posted, thanks a lot, but doesn't look like I'll be going Lawler, even though they sound like incredibly good instruments.

dcstep · 01-27-2004, 09:15 AM

I was wondering when this was going to kick in. You were talking like you already had your ME and a great job. You can get an excellent horn new for $900 to $1400. Be sure to check out the Jupiter Tribune XO when you're shopping. Also, Yamaha 6310Z can be acquired for a song these days, since they're being replaced by a new model.

A few years from now you can buy that Lawler.

Dave

Tootsall · 01-27-2004, 10:41 AM

X4 to S32/S22 ! ??? Man, there's one heck of a world of difference between those.... night and day. Completely different feel to them. I have a recommendation for you... don't buy based on the "numbers"... go find some and try them...seriously.

I bought my B1 after side-by-side testing over a two hour period of B1, B5, S32 and X3. Completely different horns, different "feel", different sound.

Windowshopping is fun but don't get carried away with the Visa card until you've actually tried them.

dcstep · 01-27-2004, 11:05 AM

Tootsall, maybe he said it in a different thread, BUT he did try the X3 and it wasn't for him. That's why he moved to the other end of the Schilke spectrum.

Dave

bigaggietrumpet · 01-27-2004, 03:56 PM

Actually, the deal is that there has been a lot of conversations that I never told anyone about on here. The Schilke change came after talking with Roger (don't remember his last name) at Chuck Levin's Washington Music, a site that I got from Jim Donaldson. We talked at length about Schilke and came to the conclusion that the X4 was more than likely the complete opposite of what i was looking for in sound, etc. He recommended the S22 or S32.

I'm sorry if I mislead anyone. I am a 19 year old mechanical engineering student at Texas A&M, currently playing in the concert band and the first string orchestra in campus history. I wish that I was already employed and well off, however, life's just not that way. I am very sorry if my posts mislead someone. I thought I had made it clear along the way that I was a college student (bum, whatever you wanna call me). Some of you might now be wondering what the @$#! was I thinking even looking at an expensive horn like a Schilke. Well, unlike 90% of today's teenagers, I actually saved my money in savings accounts (which was pretty effective till Bush took a machete to the interest rates), and have a pretty decent stash of "my" as opposed to "my parents" money. If you wonder why I might sound like a 40 year old, well, I have no idea what to tell you on that one. I've just always been mature for my age, but not THAT mature. Anyway, again, sorry if i mislead anyone.
Michael

Tootsall · 01-27-2004, 04:06 PM

Bruce, sorry if my post was misconstrued. I didn't realize you'd actually been able to get "on the end of" a mess of Schilkes. I agree, if you are "talking to Jim" you are talking to the right guy as far as that product is concerned. About the only thing you could do better is call the factory and speak with Phil Baughman. (they both had indicated in advance that I'd probably like the B1 best....so when I tried it and the shop owner (himself a trumpet player) confirmed that I sounded best on the B1 (and I felt like I was playing best on it myself), then that was enough of a "coincidence" to sell me on that model. But then again I wasn't looking for a "symphonic" horn but one that was flexible enough to handle small ensembles, have very accurate intonation, and still enough "weight" to the sound to work with an 8 person community band trumpet section.

Of course, there are a lot of awful nice horns out there of which Schilke is but one brand.

Your planned career path? Excellent choice. I presume you are planning on getting into some playing groups while you pursue your major?

Toots B. Eng (Mech).

dcstep · 01-27-2004, 04:09 PM

You might want to take an economics course along with that engineering. Bush didn't lower interest rates, the market did, thanks to low inflation. If you'd had a diversified portfolio rather than all your eggs in the bond market (savings accounts are a form of bond), you'd have reaped a return for the blended portfolio at or near 10%, with equities in the mid teens. Don't blame others for your own failings.

Now back to trumpets...

Maybe not. One of my good buddies got his EE, then an MBA with focus on economics. As an assistant treasurer at Texas Instruments he can afford all the trumpets he might want. Just a thought. Engineers with understanding of management and finance expertise can write their own tickets. Just food for thought.

Dave

bigaggietrumpet · 01-27-2004, 11:25 PM

Ok, so making the remark about the interest rates was stupid. Don't want to turn this into a cage match, so I'll drop it.

Yeah, I probably will stay an ME (though for a time I kicked around music, probably will minor in it though). MBA? Eh, we'll see. The place I intend to work at won't really have a whole lotta need for that, but it's one of those back door options :wink:

I am in all the classical music organizations you can be in at A&M- the Concert band (the Symphonic band is the top band), and I am one of the founding members of the first string orchestra in A&M history, currently principal trumpet from last semester, and we'll probably have auditions soon. There is a jazz society, but it isn't exactly university sanctioned, and do to circumstances, I wasn't able to hook up with them. Also in the works, I have a crazy idea to start a big band down here, probably next semester. Wish me luck on that as I'll have to come up with music and a place to rehearse, though the latter shouldn't be that bad.

To actually get back to the original subject of the post, I wanna thank everyone who gave their imput, it was all very helpful.
Michael

dcstep · 01-28-2004, 12:12 AM

You sound like a real go-getter impresario. Keep it up.

Are you doing all the orchestral transposing on your Bb? That's pretty good. I alway had enough challenge transposing to F on my C-trumpet. Anyway, you may want to look for a used Bb and a used C if you're going to do orchestra and wind bands.

There are tons of orchestra and bands in DFW if you end up settling nearby.

Ciao,

Dave

01-26-2004, 08:48 PM	#11 (permalink)
bkmdano New Friend Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 32	Bruce, Thank you for putting my thoughts into words. I agree the TL6-1a has a very similar blow to the Schilke B1. Like I said before it is a little more open than the B5. Also the quality of the build matches or surpasses Schilke and that is a very high compliment. __________________ Dan Lawler TL6r-1a(STS)Parke-Bergeron 620/Warburton 7 series 80

01-26-2004, 09:19 PM	#12 (permalink)
bigaggietrumpet Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: College Station,TX Posts: 814	I was looking at an X4, but that has now changed to either an S22 or S32. Currently, though, a Kanstul 1500 or V-1, or even just a different Strad have pulled away. Reasoning? Well, the problem is price per usage. Let's face it, I'm gonna be a mechanical engineer (I hope), not a musician. It's just too much of a hobby, and I'm nowhere NEAR good enough to even get into a college. So, really, I don't need something as nice as a Lawler, or even a Schilke. So for those who posted, thanks a lot, but doesn't look like I'll be going Lawler, even though they sound like incredibly good instruments. __________________ Michael Smith Hullabaloo: The official band of Texas A&M Basketball Kanstul 1537/ Schilke 14 LA Olds Studio

01-27-2004, 09:15 AM	#13 (permalink)
dcstep Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 680	I was wondering when this was going to kick in. You were talking like you already had your ME and a great job. You can get an excellent horn new for $900 to $1400. Be sure to check out the Jupiter Tribune XO when you're shopping. Also, Yamaha 6310Z can be acquired for a song these days, since they're being replaced by a new model. A few years from now you can buy that Lawler. Dave __________________ Schilke '60 B1 Selmer Paris -- '57 #20 K-Modified/ '03 Concept TT w/ GR66.8B2.8 '94 Lawler TL cornet w/ Sparx 2B Conn Vintage One flugel - GR66FD www.pitpops.com www.ucm-inc.com Rocky Mountain Trumpet Fest

01-27-2004, 11:05 AM	#15 (permalink)
dcstep Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 680	Tootsall, maybe he said it in a different thread, BUT he did try the X3 and it wasn't for him. That's why he moved to the other end of the Schilke spectrum. Dave __________________ Schilke '60 B1 Selmer Paris -- '57 #20 K-Modified/ '03 Concept TT w/ GR66.8B2.8 '94 Lawler TL cornet w/ Sparx 2B Conn Vintage One flugel - GR66FD www.pitpops.com www.ucm-inc.com Rocky Mountain Trumpet Fest

01-27-2004, 03:56 PM	#16 (permalink)
bigaggietrumpet Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: College Station,TX Posts: 814	Actually, the deal is that there has been a lot of conversations that I never told anyone about on here. The Schilke change came after talking with Roger (don't remember his last name) at Chuck Levin's Washington Music, a site that I got from Jim Donaldson. We talked at length about Schilke and came to the conclusion that the X4 was more than likely the complete opposite of what i was looking for in sound, etc. He recommended the S22 or S32. I'm sorry if I mislead anyone. I am a 19 year old mechanical engineering student at Texas A&M, currently playing in the concert band and the first string orchestra in campus history. I wish that I was already employed and well off, however, life's just not that way. I am very sorry if my posts mislead someone. I thought I had made it clear along the way that I was a college student (bum, whatever you wanna call me). Some of you might now be wondering what the @$#! was I thinking even looking at an expensive horn like a Schilke. Well, unlike 90% of today's teenagers, I actually saved my money in savings accounts (which was pretty effective till Bush took a machete to the interest rates), and have a pretty decent stash of "my" as opposed to "my parents" money. If you wonder why I might sound like a 40 year old, well, I have no idea what to tell you on that one. I've just always been mature for my age, but not THAT mature. Anyway, again, sorry if i mislead anyone. Michael __________________ Michael Smith Hullabaloo: The official band of Texas A&M Basketball Kanstul 1537/ Schilke 14 LA Olds Studio

01-27-2004, 10:41 AM	#14 (permalink)
Tootsall Fortissimo User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Yee HAW! Posts: 4,641	X4 to S32/S22 ! ??? Man, there's one heck of a world of difference between those.... night and day. Completely different feel to them. I have a recommendation for you... don't buy based on the "numbers"... go find some and try them...seriously. I bought my B1 after side-by-side testing over a two hour period of B1, B5, S32 and X3. Completely different horns, different "feel", different sound. Windowshopping is fun but don't get carried away with the Visa card until you've actually tried them.

01-27-2004, 04:06 PM	#17 (permalink)
Tootsall Fortissimo User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Yee HAW! Posts: 4,641	Bruce, sorry if my post was misconstrued. I didn't realize you'd actually been able to get "on the end of" a mess of Schilkes. I agree, if you are "talking to Jim" you are talking to the right guy as far as that product is concerned. About the only thing you could do better is call the factory and speak with Phil Baughman. (they both had indicated in advance that I'd probably like the B1 best....so when I tried it and the shop owner (himself a trumpet player) confirmed that I sounded best on the B1 (and I felt like I was playing best on it myself), then that was enough of a "coincidence" to sell me on that model. But then again I wasn't looking for a "symphonic" horn but one that was flexible enough to handle small ensembles, have very accurate intonation, and still enough "weight" to the sound to work with an 8 person community band trumpet section. Of course, there are a lot of awful nice horns out there of which Schilke is but one brand. Your planned career path? Excellent choice. I presume you are planning on getting into some playing groups while you pursue your major? Toots B. Eng (Mech).

01-27-2004, 04:09 PM	#18 (permalink)
dcstep Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 680	You might want to take an economics course along with that engineering. Bush didn't lower interest rates, the market did, thanks to low inflation. If you'd had a diversified portfolio rather than all your eggs in the bond market (savings accounts are a form of bond), you'd have reaped a return for the blended portfolio at or near 10%, with equities in the mid teens. Don't blame others for your own failings. Now back to trumpets... Maybe not. One of my good buddies got his EE, then an MBA with focus on economics. As an assistant treasurer at Texas Instruments he can afford all the trumpets he might want. Just a thought. Engineers with understanding of management and finance expertise can write their own tickets. Just food for thought. Dave __________________ Schilke '60 B1 Selmer Paris -- '57 #20 K-Modified/ '03 Concept TT w/ GR66.8B2.8 '94 Lawler TL cornet w/ Sparx 2B Conn Vintage One flugel - GR66FD www.pitpops.com www.ucm-inc.com Rocky Mountain Trumpet Fest

01-27-2004, 11:25 PM	#19 (permalink)
bigaggietrumpet Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: College Station,TX Posts: 814	Ok, so making the remark about the interest rates was stupid. Don't want to turn this into a cage match, so I'll drop it. Yeah, I probably will stay an ME (though for a time I kicked around music, probably will minor in it though). MBA? Eh, we'll see. The place I intend to work at won't really have a whole lotta need for that, but it's one of those back door options :wink: I am in all the classical music organizations you can be in at A&M- the Concert band (the Symphonic band is the top band), and I am one of the founding members of the first string orchestra in A&M history, currently principal trumpet from last semester, and we'll probably have auditions soon. There is a jazz society, but it isn't exactly university sanctioned, and do to circumstances, I wasn't able to hook up with them. Also in the works, I have a crazy idea to start a big band down here, probably next semester. Wish me luck on that as I'll have to come up with music and a place to rehearse, though the latter shouldn't be that bad. To actually get back to the original subject of the post, I wanna thank everyone who gave their imput, it was all very helpful. Michael __________________ Michael Smith Hullabaloo: The official band of Texas A&M Basketball Kanstul 1537/ Schilke 14 LA Olds Studio

01-28-2004, 12:12 AM	#20 (permalink)
dcstep Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 680	You sound like a real go-getter impresario. Keep it up. Are you doing all the orchestral transposing on your Bb? That's pretty good. I alway had enough challenge transposing to F on my C-trumpet. Anyway, you may want to look for a used Bb and a used C if you're going to do orchestra and wind bands. There are tons of orchestra and bands in DFW if you end up settling nearby. Ciao, Dave __________________ Schilke '60 B1 Selmer Paris -- '57 #20 K-Modified/ '03 Concept TT w/ GR66.8B2.8 '94 Lawler TL cornet w/ Sparx 2B Conn Vintage One flugel - GR66FD www.pitpops.com www.ucm-inc.com Rocky Mountain Trumpet Fest

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