Yamaha Xeno "Shotblast" finish. - Page 2

JimmyH · 03-01-2005, 11:48 PM

Purchased a (lacquer) shotblast finish Xeno for my son a couple of months ago. After testing a mountain of horns, the Xeno seemed to be the best fit for him. I caved and purchased the shotblast finish because my son thought it was 'cool' - I hope that 'cool' results in longer practice sessions. Anyway, (all things being equal) this particular finish does appear to have a slightly darker sound, but no indication that the finish improves range.

My take on the horn? ........it does look cool.

Regards.

joey · 03-02-2005, 08:12 AM

To clarify,

The Xeno, without the 'shotblast' finish, is available in both a straight leadpipe and reverse leadpipe configuration. The straight pipe has the double main tuning slide braces, similar to a Bach.

The 'shotblast' is only available in the reverse configuration, with only the single brace on the main tuning slide.

joey

miles71 · 03-02-2005, 10:02 AM

As you can see in my post, I stated I had been told the shotblast helps notes" slot better" in the upper range. Not add range. All a finish will do is change the weight and resonance of the material.

I would be interested to hear if anyone has done a scratch gold finish on a Xeno and how it effected the playing characteristics

Heavens2kadonka · 03-02-2005, 06:21 PM

Sorry guys, I dropped off the face of the Earth for a while.

GOOD GRAVY, THAT FINISH IS GORGEOUS!!

How much does that particular finish cost?

Van

Flair King · 04-03-2005, 12:18 AM

My trumpet teacher just had two Xenos on consignment, one was the polished silver and the other was the brushed silver finish. I played both of them on different days, but niether one in the upper register (up to A). I felt the polished silver slotted better for me. However, he bought the brushed finish, FWIW.

djm6701 · 04-03-2005, 09:50 AM

[quote="miles71"]I play a silver plate 8335RGS. I have been told the shotblast finish makes the horn slot better in the upper register. After all, its just laquer they "shot" with glass beads isnt it?
quote]

The shotblast finish is applied to the raw brass before lacquering. I can't imagine why the finish would change the slotting in the horn.

Tootsall · 04-03-2005, 10:04 AM

I'm with Dave on this one; I can't imagine how a shotblast finish would change something that significant on a horn. I rather suspect that the horns being compared played slightly different BEFORE one of them was shot-blasted.

trumpetpimp · 04-03-2005, 11:07 AM

I can't speak from experience but look at what Yamaha wrote...

http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/...3DNEWS,00.html

Second paragraph...

Quote:

The finish on any particular instrument effects the overall sound that particular instrument produces. The Shotblast finish presents a darker sound making the trumpet more versatile from genre to genre.

I can see a finish like that affecting the sound, response less so. But wouldn't changing the entire outside of a horn affect the way it plays?

Tootsall · 04-03-2005, 11:17 AM

Well, it might change the way it SOUNDS.... but the way it PLAYS? Color me sceptical.

ImprovBeast · 04-06-2005, 08:17 PM

I just got the same horn a few months ago. For how I play it seemed like a different choice in tone color from standard laquer or silver. For me the horn played darker than silver, and less dead or dull like sounding standard laquer. I used to play with a little more brightness than I wanted and this horn just evened out my sound perfectly. Also, it slots like no other, and I use it for everything I do. At the University of Northern Colorado I use it for Salsa combo, jazz combo, Lead playing, Chamber music, and solo literature and it sounds very appropriate for each of them. (when I use the right size mouthpiece for the job

)

The finish didn't add range, but the heavy construction of horn seemed to help the notes up there slot better. I put my arturo horn away for good, even for lead and latin, which I wasn't expecting to do.

hope that gives people a better idea maybe.

Mario

03-02-2005, 08:12 AM	#12 (permalink)
joey Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bloomington Posts: 70	leadpipes To clarify, The Xeno, without the 'shotblast' finish, is available in both a straight leadpipe and reverse leadpipe configuration. The straight pipe has the double main tuning slide braces, similar to a Bach. The 'shotblast' is only available in the reverse configuration, with only the single brace on the main tuning slide. joey

03-02-2005, 10:02 AM	#13 (permalink)
miles71 Piano User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 452	As you can see in my post, I stated I had been told the shotblast helps notes" slot better" in the upper range. Not add range. All a finish will do is change the weight and resonance of the material. I would be interested to hear if anyone has done a scratch gold finish on a Xeno and how it effected the playing characteristics __________________ NYTC Stage 1 Endorsing Artist www.domenicomusic.com

03-02-2005, 06:21 PM	#14 (permalink)
Heavens2kadonka Forte User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Carthage, TN Posts: 1,283	Sorry guys, I dropped off the face of the Earth for a while. GOOD GRAVY, THAT FINISH IS GORGEOUS!! How much does that particular finish cost? Van __________________ Stage 1 California Light '94 Bach Strad 37 1900 Eb Cornet LOUD Steve Patrick 10 1/2 C LOUD LM93

04-03-2005, 12:18 AM	#15 (permalink)
Flair King New Friend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Whittier, CA Posts: 6	My trumpet teacher just had two Xenos on consignment, one was the polished silver and the other was the brushed silver finish. I played both of them on different days, but niether one in the upper register (up to A). I felt the polished silver slotted better for me. However, he bought the brushed finish, FWIW. __________________ Bob Fox Getzen Vax Model 1972 King Silver Flair

04-03-2005, 09:50 AM	#16 (permalink)
djm6701 Pianissimo User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Richmond Hill (Toronto), Ontario Posts: 176	[quote="miles71"]I play a silver plate 8335RGS. I have been told the shotblast finish makes the horn slot better in the upper register. After all, its just laquer they "shot" with glass beads isnt it? quote] The shotblast finish is applied to the raw brass before lacquering. I can't imagine why the finish would change the slotting in the horn. __________________ Dave M. Richmond Hill (Toronto), Ontario, CANADA Kanstul WB1600 1952 L.A. Olds Recording, 1975 L.A. Benge 3x, Yamaha 631 Flugel, Olds Flugel GR 65.6 Mouthpieces

03-01-2005, 11:48 PM	#11 (permalink)
JimmyH New Friend Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4	Purchased a (lacquer) shotblast finish Xeno for my son a couple of months ago. After testing a mountain of horns, the Xeno seemed to be the best fit for him. I caved and purchased the shotblast finish because my son thought it was 'cool' - I hope that 'cool' results in longer practice sessions. Anyway, (all things being equal) this particular finish does appear to have a slightly darker sound, but no indication that the finish improves range. My take on the horn? ........it does look cool. Regards.

04-03-2005, 10:04 AM	#17 (permalink)
Tootsall Fortissimo User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Yee HAW! Posts: 4,641	I'm with Dave on this one; I can't imagine how a shotblast finish would change something that significant on a horn. I rather suspect that the horns being compared played slightly different BEFORE one of them was shot-blasted.

04-03-2005, 11:17 AM	#19 (permalink)
Tootsall Fortissimo User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Yee HAW! Posts: 4,641	Well, it might change the way it SOUNDS.... but the way it PLAYS? Color me sceptical.

04-06-2005, 08:17 PM	#20 (permalink)
ImprovBeast New Friend Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 11	I just got the same horn a few months ago. For how I play it seemed like a different choice in tone color from standard laquer or silver. For me the horn played darker than silver, and less dead or dull like sounding standard laquer. I used to play with a little more brightness than I wanted and this horn just evened out my sound perfectly. Also, it slots like no other, and I use it for everything I do. At the University of Northern Colorado I use it for Salsa combo, jazz combo, Lead playing, Chamber music, and solo literature and it sounds very appropriate for each of them. (when I use the right size mouthpiece for the job ) The finish didn't add range, but the heavy construction of horn seemed to help the notes up there slot better. I put my arturo horn away for good, even for lead and latin, which I wasn't expecting to do. hope that gives people a better idea maybe. Mario __________________ http://www.resnet.trinity.edu/fdavidso/wolverine1.jpg

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