Ambassador Basic tuning issue

MFfan · 06-28-2008, 02:46 PM

I have a 73 Ambassador cornet I got a few months ago and in excellent condition. I like to play it for it's sound and ease of playing. However, the horn will not tune to concert Bb on a tuner, unless the main tuning slide is pushed in to a hair'sbreath gap from all the way. The other slides are in and it has an adjustalbe 3rd valve ring. I use a couple of Bach's, a Jet Tone Al Hirt, or even the OE of my 53 Roth, but it is still the same. Plays in tune, but I was wondering if any one had similar experiences or ideas.
My other cornets and trumpets don't have that situation.

Thanks!

oldlou · 06-28-2008, 04:05 PM

I just tried my 1963 Ambassador cornet with the Olds 7C that I got from you and find it basically in tune throughout the scale until I get above the A above the staff, where it is about 15 cents sharp. The common trouble notes that are sharp on most trumpets are also sharp on this one, requiring that I use the slide ring on the third valve slide. The tuning Bb is spot on once the little horn is warmed up with the tuning slide about 1/2" out from fully closed. With my Bach mouthpieces it is slightly sharper and I have to pull the tuning slide out another 1/8". I am more than pleased with mine, which I used in concert band practice this morning.

OLDLOU>>

MFfan · 06-28-2008, 08:43 PM

Hey Lou, thanks for your report on yours. Glad it is working well and the tuning is controllable. A responder on TH said he had one that did as mine did and he found a valve badly mis-aligned, which caused the problem. I looked at my valves and they all look the same and it plays fine, no hint of mis-alignment. No big deal anyway.

oldlou · 06-29-2008, 10:32 AM

oldlou · 06-29-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MFfan

Hey Lou, thanks for your report on yours. Glad it is working well and the tuning is controllable. A responder on TH said he had one that did as mine did and he found a valve badly mis-aligned, which caused the problem. I looked at my valves and they all look the same and it plays fine, no hint of mis-alignment. No big deal anyway.

I suppose that I should state here that upon arrival my little horn had overly thick new ring felts in the valve top caps, which threw the horn out of tune and made it stuffy. I replaced these with neoprene 'o' rings that I glued into place with slide grease. When I got done with this little project, the alignment was vertically perfect and the little thing just 'lit right up'.

OLDLOU>>

06-28-2008, 02:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
MFfan Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kalamazoo, Michigan Posts: 707	Ambassador Basic tuning issue I have a 73 Ambassador cornet I got a few months ago and in excellent condition. I like to play it for it's sound and ease of playing. However, the horn will not tune to concert Bb on a tuner, unless the main tuning slide is pushed in to a hair'sbreath gap from all the way. The other slides are in and it has an adjustalbe 3rd valve ring. I use a couple of Bach's, a Jet Tone Al Hirt, or even the OE of my 53 Roth, but it is still the same. Plays in tune, but I was wondering if any one had similar experiences or ideas. My other cornets and trumpets don't have that situation. Thanks! __________________ Dave Rafferty 07 Barrington Trumpet, 1972 Reynolds Medalist 55 Besson 8-10 trumpet 55 Roth by Reynolds Cornet 73 Olds Ambassador Cornet 30's Czech small bore Trumpet Getzen 80 cornet, 33 American Standard cornet 66 Olds Ambassador Trumpet www.kalamazooconcertband.org

06-28-2008, 04:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
oldlou Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi. Posts: 679	Re: Ambassador Basic tuning issue I just tried my 1963 Ambassador cornet with the Olds 7C that I got from you and find it basically in tune throughout the scale until I get above the A above the staff, where it is about 15 cents sharp. The common trouble notes that are sharp on most trumpets are also sharp on this one, requiring that I use the slide ring on the third valve slide. The tuning Bb is spot on once the little horn is warmed up with the tuning slide about 1/2" out from fully closed. With my Bach mouthpieces it is slightly sharper and I have to pull the tuning slide out another 1/8". I am more than pleased with mine, which I used in concert band practice this morning. OLDLOU>> __________________ Couturier trumpet York Master Model trumpet York Elite trumpet York Airflow cornet King super 20 Master Model cornet King Liberty trumpet Reynolds Professional cornet Bohm & Meinl professional trumpet Besson 10-10 trumpet with Holton M.F. bell Olds Special cornet Los Angeles B&H Sovereign cornet G.R.Band Instr. cornet Getzen Super Deluxe trumpet and cornet Getzen Deluxe trumpet and cornet Many others no room to list

06-28-2008, 08:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
MFfan Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kalamazoo, Michigan Posts: 707	Re: Ambassador Basic tuning issue Hey Lou, thanks for your report on yours. Glad it is working well and the tuning is controllable. A responder on TH said he had one that did as mine did and he found a valve badly mis-aligned, which caused the problem. I looked at my valves and they all look the same and it plays fine, no hint of mis-alignment. No big deal anyway. __________________ Dave Rafferty 07 Barrington Trumpet, 1972 Reynolds Medalist 55 Besson 8-10 trumpet 55 Roth by Reynolds Cornet 73 Olds Ambassador Cornet 30's Czech small bore Trumpet Getzen 80 cornet, 33 American Standard cornet 66 Olds Ambassador Trumpet www.kalamazooconcertband.org

06-29-2008, 10:32 AM	#4 (permalink)
oldlou Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi. Posts: 679	Re: Ambassador Basic tuning issue x __________________ Couturier trumpet York Master Model trumpet York Elite trumpet York Airflow cornet King super 20 Master Model cornet King Liberty trumpet Reynolds Professional cornet Bohm & Meinl professional trumpet Besson 10-10 trumpet with Holton M.F. bell Olds Special cornet Los Angeles B&H Sovereign cornet G.R.Band Instr. cornet Getzen Super Deluxe trumpet and cornet Getzen Deluxe trumpet and cornet Many others no room to list Last edited by oldlou; 06-29-2008 at 10:35 AM.

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