brunets

Maybe the gold plating is so washed out that it shows the silver behind it. I recently discovered that goldplated models have to be silverplated before.

Stéphane

screamingmorris

TotalEclipse

Another 22B NYS player here.
Although I just sold the 47 model one I have in the UK
eBay.co.uk: Conn 22B New York Symphony (item 150133569238 end time 18-Jun-07 08:48:07 BST)
Great trumpet, but as I have a 48 model as well as a 22B Victor. Luckily they still come up for a decent price.

screamingmorris

Your ad said that it was "unrestored", so it is amazing that the lacquer looks so *great* on it.

Christine of Conn Loyalist says that she thought a 1948 22b plays better than a 1963 Victor 22B.
The Conn Loyalist
What is your opinion?

- morris

TotalEclipse

For me the 22B Victor plays very similar to the 47/48 NYS just a little bit more like a modern sound. Both are alot more free blowing than their bore might suggest. The NYS feels abit more 'dainty' but that could just in my head as the Victor feels alot more solid with the later model casings. I also like the look of the Victor over the traditional NYS. My Victor is in pieces at the moment mid restoration so it didn't come over to the UK with me.
The NYS still looks good because it is one of those attic finds. I was told it had been in storage for about 45 years. After looking at it I could not disagree. I just got lucky on ebay that day. Bad description and no photos. Emailed the seller for some pics and got a good suprise. I was the only one to bid. :)
If I didn't have the 48 model NYS I would have certainly kept the 47 model.

screamingmorris

Since you are restoring a Victor 22B, Someone quoted at Conn Loyalist says that re-lacquering with modern lacquer ruins the sound of vintage Conns:
The Conn Loyalist

I will be having a 1952 22B re-lacquered because 50 percent of the original lacquer is missing.

Have you had a vintage trumpet re-lacquered and did you think it ruined the sound of the trumpet?

- morris

Dale Proctor

I've had 3 done that I can think of: A '49 Olds Ambassador, a 60's Olds L-12 flugel, and a '55 Mount Vernon Bach Strad. They were all terrible looking, lacquer 50% or more gone. I honestly could tell no difference in the way they played after the new lacquer. Maybe it's because I'm a hack, but I really can't feel differences supposedly caused by various coatings, heavy caps, mouthpiece sleeves, etc. I think that the basic design of a horn - leadpipe, bell shape, metal thickness and type, etc., and the mouthpiece used, have a far greater impact on the playing qualities of a horn than do a couple microns of silver or gold plating, or clear lacquer (or whatever they use these days).

Richard Oliver

screamingmorris

Why are your ears wagging?

screamingmorris

That is tentative relief for me unless / until someone posts differently.
I plan to re-lacquer the 1952 Conn 22b, I don't have enough money for anything like plating or a specialty shop that does expensive like-old lacquers.
If some people could hear some difference in sound after re-lacquering with modern lacquer but the majority of people wouldn't be able to tell the difference, I'll be satisfied.
After all, the re-lacquer is not "ir-reversible"; the next owner 25 years from now could always remove the re-lacquer and "do it right".
Unlike hot rod enthusiasts who take a blow torch to a 1930's Ford...

- morris