screamingmorris

Does anyone know?

A.N.A. Mendez

OK I'll take a stab
I know a pro that uses his Mendez as his go to dark horn.

The recording has a rep for dark, jazz.

the super is a lead, bright marching band horn but can be very wide ranging in sounds it can produce in the right hands, I know a pro who uses supers from the 30s to the 60s eras for everything from big band to chorale.

specials, under rated, can be very much like supers but have more differences from horn to horn like Bach Strads

Ambassadors, many guys use them as the main gig axe, bullet proof, indestructable last forever.

super star, great blow with straight through pipes, good for bugle work, comfortable reverse wrap.

customs are all different from what I've read, were all set up with various leadpipes and bells.

opera.....now this is a good open free blowing horn that lights up, clear, can be worked close to a super or super recording. I have heard they don't tune well in a group but I cannot confirm...
super recording....The most free blowing easy to play horn I have ever played. Plays like it has a "you are a great player" computer chip built into it


that's my take having played these models and pitting several against each other for comparison coupled with all the discussion here and with other Olds nuts.

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(Above) Alexanders ragtime band-circa 1960

"Baby, I'm already the coolest, and the hippist, now you want me to be on time too?" Buddy Love

"We appointed all our worst generals to command our armies, and our best generals to edit our newspapers." Robert E. Lee

screamingmorris

What is a "reverse wrap"?

A.N.A. Mendez

The tune slide bottom tube goes into the valve block where the 3rd slide goes on most horns. The 3rd slide then goes in where the tune slide would.Very comfortable.
I happen to have a 1932 or so Olds model from the factory with this treatment. I'll try to post a photo
By the way most of the Olds horns were 460 bore or close to it.
Also the studio model I would say is close to the special with cooler art deco trim,some with 2 and 3 tone metal colors bell, bell tube and valve block.

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(Above) Alexanders ragtime band-circa 1960

"Baby, I'm already the coolest, and the hippist, now you want me to be on time too?" Buddy Love

"We appointed all our worst generals to command our armies, and our best generals to edit our newspapers." Robert E. Lee

Jumpinj

This is what he is refering to the reverse wrap. If you notice the third vave slide and the maing tuning crook are reversed. It is very comfortable and my Super Star is my favorite horn to play. I like the feel so much I have been looking at a new Courtois. Thay have a brand new trumpet out in the same deisgn as my Olds.

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Horns:

Bach 180ML 37 Strad w M/K rounded Sterling tuning slide
Stomvi Mambo
72 Olds Super Star Ultra Sonic-- Original and near mint condition
79 B&S Exquisit B-flat

Mouthpieces:

Monette B4S
Monette B4L
Bach 1.5C in GP
Shilke 12A4a

screamingmorris

I didn't know it was called a reverse wrap, but I do recognize that reversed configuration of tuning slide and 3rd valve slide from some of the Conn trumpets of the 1930's:

The Conn Loyalist

The Conn Loyalist

The Conn Loyalist

The Conn Loyalist

How does reverse wrap make for a more comfortable hand-hold of the trumpet?

A.N.A. Mendez

When you hold it with the left hand there is more room for your 3rd and 4th fingers on the valve block down low.

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(Above) Alexanders ragtime band-circa 1960

"Baby, I'm already the coolest, and the hippist, now you want me to be on time too?" Buddy Love

"We appointed all our worst generals to command our armies, and our best generals to edit our newspapers." Robert E. Lee

Jumpinj

To me, it really is more comfortable. The biggest benefit I see is that the design makes the horn more open or free blowing. And from my experience, a free blowing ML bore horn is better to play than trying to get a large bore horn simply because the stamina is better. I do get winded after playing my Mambo which is a large bore (.468) horn for a while, but my Olds which is a .460 bore I can play all day long and it is just about as free blowing as my mambo. Now comparing my ML Strad to the ML Olds, my strad is alot more restricted even with the single radius tuning slide I added to it. I really do wish more manufacturers used the "reverse" design more.

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Horns:

Bach 180ML 37 Strad w M/K rounded Sterling tuning slide
Stomvi Mambo
72 Olds Super Star Ultra Sonic-- Original and near mint condition
79 B&S Exquisit B-flat

Mouthpieces:

Monette B4S
Monette B4L
Bach 1.5C in GP
Shilke 12A4a

beaukoo

It seems to me that I've read somewhere that the Studio replaced the Standard in Olds' lineup. Is that correct?

Dave Brewer

screamingmorris

Although I cannot find an authoritative source that says it directly, I have seen anectdotal evidence that you are correct.

Olds Central says that the Studio model was between the Special and the Super.

An eBay seller says that his Standard model was between the Special and the Super.