chukcha

"Some horns have COLLECTOR value, that is not at all related to PLAYER value (though sometimes the two happily co-exist--for example, Schilke horns)."

Do you meen that this horn restorated from 1951 has a COLLECTOR value?
It's already 300$

pangaea

OK--I'll try again.


An unrestored, decent, 1951 (for example) Ambassador has some collector value. Lately, and for the foreseeable future, that value will not exceed from about $100 to $200.

A decent, RESTORED and IMPROVED 1951 Ambassador will have greatly enhganced PLAYER value. It will not gain that much in collector value.

So, no, I'm not saying the horn I linked to has collector value. I'm saying the opposite. It has PLAYER value. Which is what you look for if you want a good horn to play.

if you are a collector/investor, you want unmodified, (usually) unrestored trumpets. And you really wouldn't be looking at Ambassadors.

Is that clear?

chukcha

O.K. So this one is gone anyway for 310$I was wonderig that its got this price mostly because of the shiny lacquer wichis not so important for me.In case the cleaning and dings repair il not be so expansive.So i disided to leave to myself 3 choises:
1.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT
That 1959 ambassador kooks in realy good shape,will not pass the 120$ i think
2
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT
Should be great according to your recommendations
3.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT
was also recommended
I'm quite tired from seeking horn on ebay every day.Ithink i took to much of your time helping me.I hope that this topic will be the last one in that subject.Thaks alot.The information you gave me,i probably would get for many years of iterestig.

bigaggietrumpet

one thing I learned from my Studio, you aren't gonna find a great deal in a day, or month, or whatever. You have to be patient, otherwise, you will get burned. Don't worry about my time, as I'd rather do this than that chem lab report I should be doing.

As far as the horns you posted last go, I would go in this order:2,1. Nope, I left 3 out on purpose. I haven't heard much that was good about Bessons, and the Olds Ambassador would probably smoke that horn like a Cuban cigar. The thing that puts number 2 ahead is the fact that it's been restored, and has the Pilczuk leadpipe. That's already been done, less for you to do to the horn. However, if you feel like being cheap, or wanna have more control over what the horn looks/plays like, then number 1 would also work, plus it's cheaper, but be warned, that thing will NOT sell for 30 dollars like it is currently listed.

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Kanstul 1537/ Schilke 14
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chukcha

Good news! I won the Olds Ambassador Restored with Pilczuk Leadpipe and the most important my credit card let me pay for it. It's 377$ +47$-the shipment.Now i'm waiting for a feeling of a Cuban cigar smoking.I never smoked the real Cuban cigar. )
It's just strange for me that somebody puts in the horn 600$,and when makes a non reserve auction with 200$ starting bid. When he says:"I had a lot of fun doing this project, but I have another Olds that I want to work on now, so I'm throwing it to the auction winds".
???????????
Anyway i hope there is no tricky things here,and thanks for your help again.
Vladimir

MUSICandCHARACTER

Sometimes people put a lot into a horn, find something they like a bit better, and sell the old one for whatever it will bring. Better to have some money rather than none and a nice horn collecting dust. Sometimes they get $600 worth of work but only paid $300. I can do that easily. A good friend of mine owns a brass repair shop. He never charges me full price and often takes stuff in trade.

Either way, you get the good deal. Sometimes, eBay can just be a great thing!

Jim

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Dr. Jim Fox
Licensed Mental Health Therapist
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pangaea

Some of us put money into projects "eyes wide open," meaning we know that the cash won't be recouped. But there are other benefits. I don't want to speak too much for the seller, but as I know him, I can tell you this: he put what he said into the horn--$600--and is taking about a $200 hit by selling it. Not a big deal. Getting 2/3 of an investment back on a used horn is pretty good, and the cash can be used to upgrade other horns. I can also say with certainty that you're getting a very nice horn at a decent price, and that if you ever decide to Ebay it, assuming you've kept it in great condition, you will recoup most or all of your costs.

I just sold my 2-year-old Schilke B1Lb, and took a $400 hit. Here's how I look at it: I have enough to buy another Schilke (different model), and I paid $400 in "rent" for two years to play an exceptional horn. That's about 50 cents a day..well worth it to me.