tom turner

Nice horn, Toots!

As far as the resizing, I can't straighten them out anymore.

Since the new TM format started, I haven't had moderator priviledges any more and I don't think any of the other guys do too, unless it is in the Artists in Residence group.

It may be temporary as they bring the improvements to the site. Then again, maybe the administrator will be doing it all.

So, for now, we'll just enjoy 'em like they are.

Sincerely,

Tom

Cornet1

Just a point about Dale Proctor's cornet;

"........ call it a "jawbreaker" because it played so badly out of tune with itself, even after leak repairs and an Anderson's valve job.
J.W. Pepper Bb, ca. 1908, with high and low pitch leadpipes...."

This type of cornet is instantly recognisable to UK bandsmen of my era...ie, those who learned on these 'junk' instruments which had been made obsolete by the change to 'low pitch' in the early 1960's....

Note;....The 'shanks' shown have nothing to do with low/high pitch, they are the Bb shank seen fitted and an 'A' shank above. It is (was) not possible to effect a good change to low pitch using just a shank change. Properly converted instruments had extra lengths of tube added to the slides and a new, longer tuning slide. Many conversions were not too successful and eventually most HP instruments were discarded. That said, ny own band has a Hawkes tenor horn made in 1910 and converted in 1959 which is a beautiful instrument with excellent intonation.

Incidentally, the mpc in the photo is the wrong size for these instruments,...it should fit much further into the shank leaving only about 1/4" of taper showing. This is important to get the right sound and easy playing feel to these cornets.

Ned Kelly Jazz

Sooo Many Nice Horns!

Solar Bell

Here are some pics of a LeBlanc 770 Gozzo I am baby sitting for a couple of weeks.

It is in excellent condition.





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Dale Proctor

You're correct, the mouthpiece shown is the one that came with the cornet when I bought it, and didn't fit well. I played it with a smaller mouthpiece that did fit correctly. The longer shank shown is a Bb shank, for modern low pitch. The shorter shank shown fitted is also a Bb shank, for old high pitch. I suspect that the cornet was designed as a high-pitch instrument, and as you say, did not play well in low pitch without any other modifications.

Too bad I didn't instantly recognize it as a "junk" instrument!

frannyj33

Tom, I am no expert to music by any means. I have inherited a trumpet that is stamped with "York 75" it's mouthpiece says vincent bach corp 7C it also has a plain looking silver mouthpiece, a music sheet clip and comes in a brown luggage looking York case w/ red velvet lined case /has a false bottom for storage. Any info would be greatly appreciated. I will try to get a pic posted soon. It needs some brasso. The finger buttons are mother of pearl with blue felt under the buttons. The numbers 641054 are stamped on the #2finger button shaft. I heard you were the expert on vintage. Thanks. frannyj33

tom turner

Hi,

OldLou, on this website, is our York expert. He worked there making horns!!!

Hopefully he'll chime in when he sees this thread. Your York is a newer model so he may have details on it for you!

Tom

whwright

THIS THREAD is the reason I signed up for this forum. It's cool!

I recently discovered that I like really old Holton horns. So far I've collected two trombones (and some "parts bones"), two cornets, and one trumpet.

This one is a raw brass cornet from 1908. It was in pretty sad shape when I got it, but I took it to a shop and told them "do absolutely as little as possible." They straightened the dents and the lead pipe, lapped the valves, freed up the slides (ALL of them were stuck), and put in new water key thingies (not corks). One brace had to be resoldered. They also ran it through a bath of some type (but I specifically asked them NOT to dunk it in acid).

At some point in its life it has had a "valve job," because the valves aren't copper. It also appears to have the wrong first valve slide, and I suspect it originally had a bunch of different slides and they just got mixed up. One valve bottom cap isn't the same as the other two, and doesn't have the serial number in it.

The finish is amazing. I've never had a raw brass instrument before, and quite frankly I don't understand why it looks so good. It looked just this good when I got it, and I assume it was in an attic for a very, very long time.

The horn plays GREAT. It is amazingly in-tune with itself, despite the apparently "wrong" first valve slide. It has an authentic era-correct mouthpiece, and the tone is AWESOME. It almost sounds like a flugelhorn (except it's in tune with itself).

Thanks for the cool thread!

Wayne.
Oklahoma City (cultural center of the Universe)

dwindham

Here's links to pics of the early model 1956 Conn 6B Victor I just bought

http://home.earthlink.net/~dylanschwab/id45.html

Then here's a pic of my 1965 Holton Revelation Cornet