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Louis Armstrong. Without his sheer ability (both as a trumpet player and a jazz musician) and bringing Jazz into the mainstream of popularity all those who went before would have faded into obscurity. At the same time, those who have come after have merely built on what he established and were (for the most part) inspired by his musical gifts to the world. I don't know of anybody else who has managed to maintain his or her career as long and been able to adapt to different styles the way Louis did. There have been quite a few folk since him who have specialized in one or two areas and who have undoubtedly been innovators but only within the realm of their own special branch or style.

thefish1

Another thing about Louis Armstrong, is that who else can you think of that had a longer musical career. Recording or other wise. Remember, he was on the Decca label for years. It's like he had a standing life time contract with Decca. And I'm not just saying that he was there for, say 10 to 15 years or even 20 years, but he was Decca's "Main Man" for decades! Say, 4 to 5 decades! What staying power! No one that I know of has had that long of a mucisal career or staying with the same recording label as he did! Who else had a recording deal for that amount of time? Decca just let him do almost what ever he wanted to do. Very impressive, if you ask me! And he was still playing up to his last days on earth. And he just loved to play music on his trumpet. And if he was never "discovered" and never made a red cent play his horn, he would still have played it anyhow. Making money at or not. It was his love. It wasn't about the money, it was all about makin' music.

There have been many great trumpet players since Shatchmo. From Miles, Hubbard to Morgan and Shaw. Baker and Marsalis, Terry to Brown. Just to name a few. They are all great and add their own signature to trumpet playing and jazz.

More later ,

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wiseone2

There will be innovation as long as there are trumpet players. Each time you hear a player playing the simplest blues tune, you hear an innovator. Each time you hear a finely turned phrase at a concert, you are hearing innovation.
You are an innovator. Never accept the trivial in music, always do it better.
You are the latest innovator.
Wilmer

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beartrumpet74

I neglected to mention one REALLY important name.

BARRY RIES.

Barry plays a lot with Joe Lovano, and I understand he is on the new record by Joe. Haven't confirmed that, but I have it on good word.
Barry is someone who is obscure, but it is a true shame. His playing is easily on the level of a Dave Douglas etc...

As far as the mentions of Louis Armstrong, I must take respectful issue with them.
I thought we were chatting about current or at least the last great innovator. As I said before, I wouldn't want to refer to someone as the "LAST" great innovator because the process is ongoing.
Armstrong may have had a long career, but Louis didn't really change styles in his career. He found a voce and stuck with it throughout.


I would also take issue with the assumption that somone has to come from this Lineage of Hubbard/SHAW/Harrell in order to become an innovator. Sometimes the people that innovate the most are those who are willing to break with a lineage. I would;however, TOTALLY agree with the point about hearing what you play in your head and translating that into viable music that moves people deeply. GOOD POINT!
anyway, cool thread... looking forward to more
Matt ( sorry, had to edit this post twice because I screwed up to whole quote thing)

Manny Laureano

3 definitions found from Datasegment.com

innovator - Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 :

Innovator \In"no*va`tor\, n. [Cf. F. innovateur.]
One who innovates. --Shak.
[1913 Webster]

innovator - WordNet (r) 2.0 (August 2003) :

innovator
n : someone who helps to open up a new line of research or
technology or art (emphasis mine. ML)[syn: pioneer, trailblazer,
groundbreaker]

innovator - Moby Thesaurus II by Grady Ward, 1.0 :

58 Moby Thesaurus words for "innovator":
agent, alterant, alterative, alterer, ancestor, announcer,
antecedent, architect, author, avant-garde, bellwether, buccinator,
bushwhacker, catalyst, catalytic agent, creator, developer,
explorer, ferment, forebear, foregoer, forerunner, front runner,
frontiersman, fugleman, groundbreaker, guide, harbinger, herald,
innovationist, introducer, inventor, lead runner, leader, leaven,
maker, messenger, modificator, modifier, original, originator,
pathfinder, pioneer, point, precedent, precursor, predecessor,
producer, scout, stormy petrel, trailblazer, trailbreaker,
transformer, transmogrifier, vanguard, vaunt-courier, voortrekker,
yeast

ML

wiseone2

Fugleman..............very interesting

fugleman - flugelman

SYLLABICATION: fu·gle·man-
PRONUNCIATION: fygl-mn
NOUN: 1. A leader, especially a political leader. 2. Archaic A soldier who once served as a guide and model for his company.
ETYMOLOGY: Alteration of German Flügelmann, file leader : Flügel, wing (from Middle High German vlügel; see pleu- in Appendix I) + Mann, man (from Middle High German man, from Old High German; see man-1 in Appendix I)

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Joe DiMonte

[quote="the8thchef"]so, a friend and i were talking, wondering who the real last great jazz trumpet innovator was....

we came down to booker little, woody shaw, and don cherry. after further and much deeper contemplation and aural reflection, we came down to woody shaw and don cherry. after further and much deeper aural reflection and contemplation, we heard that even more so than woody shaw, don cherry is the real last great jazz trumpet innovator.

i'm only 25 and have only listened to jazz for the last 19 years, playing jazz for 14,

My young friend,I'm approaching age 61 on Dec 21,and I fell in love with jazz when I was 10 years old and have witnessed jazz performances as its being made for close to 45 years and with each performance one may witness an innovative moment - Roy Hargrove at the Manchester Craftsmen's Guild in Pittsburgh,Pa on Oct 1,2005.

Booker Little died before my arrival on the scene and I've seen Woody Shaw with Horace Silver after Carnell Jones had separted,and although Woody was an outstanding player especially his performance on "NUTVILLE",it's evident to me that you are too young to have seen Lee Morgan and Freddie Hubbard during their prime time,LIVE.
In parting,I can name over 100 stellar trumpet players who never receive the recognition they merit.
Live well,laught often,love much,and expand your listening selection.

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Joe DiMonte

Clark is a "LIVING LEGEND" who paid his dues and should not be included in this youthful contest.

Just reflect on the period when the big band players of pre WW II made the transition in small combos (BEBOP) and we had Clark, Harry "Sweet" Edison,Art Farmer,Howard McGhee,Thad Jones,et al ...

How could we forget Thad who in "April In Paris" stood up and played that famous nursey rhyme "Pop Goes The Weasel."

Music is the food of love !
Long Live Bebop !

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