camelbrass

Bill, again all my information is 2nd and 3rd hand but what you say makes sense. Howard Snell (the former principal at the LSO and brass band luminary) was one of the first users of the Schilke E3L-4 back in the mid 70s. It wouldn't have been inconceivable for the section to be using them on the original Star Wars recording.

Wilmer, I think I've seen pictures of that C/D you talked about. It had a 4th valve down where your left thumb sits as you hold the trumpet. I'm guessing it was in D and the valve added a tone (you know what I mean!!). Were they big sounding trumpets or lighter sounding like most Ds?

Regards,

Trevor

trumpetmike

4 valve Eb used on Star Wars - the most popular myth regarding the LSO?

It is true that Howard Snell used the 4 valve Eb whilst he was principal of that orchestra, but the principal for all (all 6!) of the Star Wars films was Maurice Murphy. His preferred instrument has always been the Bb and it was this that he used during the recording session.

Manny Laureano

Thank you, TMike!

I always thought that was the case just by the sound but since I had no hard evidence I didn't opine. Wasn't it Superman where the Eb's were used? Or am I wrong?

ML

trumpetmike

I will do some research (in other words - ask Denis Wick - he was principal trombone at the time and has an incredible memory for such things).

camelbrass

Thanks for clearing that up Mike,

I was just conjecturing and not meaning to perpetuate a myth.

Regards,

Trevor

tromj

Wilmer mentioned the most important name in the C trumpet discussion. George Mager was the principal in Boston before Voisin. It was the French custom to use C trumpets, and Boston in those days was leaning towards that style in general, which is why they engaged people like Mager and Voisin, (pere et fils).
Vacchiano caught on to the idea as well, as wwell as being involved in the introduction of the F trumpet for Brandenburg 2, and between the two of them they influenced a nmuber of players, among them Bud Herseth. Glantz held out on Bb. So did Murray Karpilovsky, an almost forgotten name nowadays. I got to play his 1910 model Besson Meha Bb in his basement in Elmont.
I think Broiles stuck to Bb for a long time, but ended up using all different kinds of trumpets.
In Cleveland, the first player used a C, but David Zauder, the 2nd player used a Bb. He discussed this a few years ago in an Interview in the ITG journal.

brian moon

I heard that Herseth originally auditioned for Reiner on a King Bb. Does anyone know for sure what horn he used?

The Bb story doesn't make a lt of sense with him coming out of Boston at the time.

wiseone2

Herseth was there to greet Reiner Bud was hired in 1948, Reiner in the 50s.

Wilmer

brian moon

Sorry wrong conductor. I gotta check with my source.

FlugelFlyer

Off topic question, Maurice used a Bach 37 with a stock 3C through most of his career I think?