Overlooked French Methods - Page 2

Alex Yates · 03-25-2007, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiseone2

There was a recording of the Sabarich Etudes that was fabulous. The trumpet player was Louis Menardi.....I think. *** I would love to hear that Wilmer. I will have to research and see if it is available anywhere.
Gil Johnson used the Rene Laurent Etudes. He played the first etude on the piccolo trumpet. Beautifully.***

I dug out my book and realized this was the book full of 2-pagers! He played the entire thing on piccolo, eh? Kudos! I made it through the first page and probably not as beautifully as Mr. Johnson.
Wilmer

rowuk · 03-25-2007, 04:13 PM

Wilmer,
Do we have to play that old french etude stuff with the old french Nadja Boulanger maschine gun vibrato? It would be historically (hysterically) correct.......

TheRiddler · 03-25-2007, 08:37 PM

A teacher in France right now (Bordeaux, I believe) his name is Pierre Dutot... I've incorporated a lot of his exercises and ideas into my own daily exercises and it has helped a lot. PM me if you want more info...

wiseone2 · 03-25-2007, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowuk

Wilmer,
Do we have to play that old french etude stuff with the old french Nadja Boulanger maschine gun vibrato? It would be historically (hysterically) correct.......

Just remember that Quincy Jones and Donald Byrd were students of Nadia B.

Marcel Moyse seemed to like my South Philly, Krauss/Glantz/Johnson, vibrato.
Wilmer

Solar Bell · 03-25-2007, 09:35 PM

This thread is not at ALL what I thought it was about!

-cw-

rowuk · 03-26-2007, 06:02 AM

I didn't know Mr. Krauss or Glanz. Gil Johnsons' playing was always my understanding of the word "elegant". That included the vibrato (definitely not Nadia B.).
Manny has inherited that position for me - elegant - including the vibrato, ties and socks...................

Alex Yates · 03-26-2007, 10:58 AM

I agree Rowuk. Gil Johnson and Bernie Adelstein are still my two favorite orchestral players of days gone by. Manny definitely has a wonderfully elegant vibrato and sounds beautiful.

(and has nice shirts, ties and socks

)

Sorry Dulin, we've strayed a bit off topic. Back to overlooked French Methods.

Mikey · 03-26-2007, 11:10 AM

I agree about ML's vibrato. If you've never heard it, you are missing out on something special. As far as his wardrobe....I can't compete there....but it is nice to know I'm not the only one losing my hair...

However, I've been told more than once that balding men are incredibly sexy...

krossum · 03-26-2007, 01:45 PM

For those of you looking for graded methods (not as difficult as the above listed) check out the two books by Guy Lacour; edited by Gerard Billaudot;

"Cent Dechiffrages Manuscrits - en forme de Petites Etudes melodiques et rythmiques pour Trompette"

Volume I (#1-#50)
Volume II (#51-#100)

great stuff!!!

-Kelly

DulinM · 03-29-2007, 11:21 PM

Hi
Sorry for the delay in my response. I have worked through a few of the Balay etudes. I think they are quite good. The are much more technical than Petite Piece!! The Chavanne are very challenging. They are the same ones published by International. I agree with Ed that at some point how much material can you practice. Having said that, the material found here is interesting a a nice change from some of the more standard methods used in the USA. Also worth mentioning are the 24 etudes by Porret. They are very progressive and musical from the first etude.

Mark

03-25-2007, 04:13 PM	#12 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,153	Re: Overlooked French Methods Wilmer, Do we have to play that old french etude stuff with the old french Nadja Boulanger maschine gun vibrato? It would be historically (hysterically) correct....... __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

03-25-2007, 08:37 PM	#13 (permalink)
TheRiddler Pianissimo User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA Posts: 123	Re: Overlooked French Methods A teacher in France right now (Bordeaux, I believe) his name is Pierre Dutot... I've incorporated a lot of his exercises and ideas into my own daily exercises and it has helped a lot. PM me if you want more info... __________________ Kunst kommt nicht von können, sondern von müssen.

03-25-2007, 09:35 PM	#15 (permalink)
Solar Bell Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 3,905	Re: Overlooked French Methods This thread is not at ALL what I thought it was about! -cw- __________________ Chuck Willard *The Willard of Oz* "Don't be afraid to see what you see." Ronald Reagan

03-26-2007, 06:02 AM	#16 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,153	Re: Overlooked French Methods I didn't know Mr. Krauss or Glanz. Gil Johnsons' playing was always my understanding of the word "elegant". That included the vibrato (definitely not Nadia B.). Manny has inherited that position for me - elegant - including the vibrato, ties and socks................... __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

03-26-2007, 10:58 AM	#17 (permalink)
Alex Yates Forte User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,405	Re: Overlooked French Methods I agree Rowuk. Gil Johnson and Bernie Adelstein are still my two favorite orchestral players of days gone by. Manny definitely has a wonderfully elegant vibrato and sounds beautiful. (and has nice shirts, ties and socks ) Sorry Dulin, we've strayed a bit off topic. Back to overlooked French Methods. Last edited by Alex Yates; 03-26-2007 at 11:08 AM.

03-26-2007, 11:10 AM	#18 (permalink)
Mikey Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,864	Re: Overlooked French Methods I agree about ML's vibrato. If you've never heard it, you are missing out on something special. As far as his wardrobe....I can't compete there....but it is nice to know I'm not the only one losing my hair... However, I've been told more than once that balding men are incredibly sexy... Last edited by Mikey; 03-26-2007 at 11:18 AM.

03-26-2007, 01:45 PM	#19 (permalink)
krossum Piano User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Posts: 308	Re: Overlooked French Methods For those of you looking for graded methods (not as difficult as the above listed) check out the two books by Guy Lacour; edited by Gerard Billaudot; "Cent Dechiffrages Manuscrits - en forme de Petites Etudes melodiques et rythmiques pour Trompette" Volume I (#1-#50) Volume II (#51-#100) great stuff!!! -Kelly __________________ “This art is acquired only by laborious studies, for the rebellious nature of the instrument demands a great aptitude coupled with a persevering willingness to become a master of it.” – F.G.A. Dauverné (1857)

03-29-2007, 11:21 PM	#20 (permalink)
DulinM New Friend Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 4	Re: Overlooked French Methods Hi Sorry for the delay in my response. I have worked through a few of the Balay etudes. I think they are quite good. The are much more technical than Petite Piece!! The Chavanne are very challenging. They are the same ones published by International. I agree with Ed that at some point how much material can you practice. Having said that, the material found here is interesting a a nice change from some of the more standard methods used in the USA. Also worth mentioning are the 24 etudes by Porret. They are very progressive and musical from the first etude. Mark

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