Why are people frightened of heavy horns? - Page 2

rowuk · 10-23-2006, 11:48 AM

The bell of my Monette Ajna2 is actually very "lively". It has more "ring" than my Bach 229 C trumpet. The heavy horns have a well defined resonance behavior. This gives them a much different "feel" than lighter instruments. I "believe" they play more "predictably".
Manfred Amrein (a music dealer and trumpet builder here in Germany) actually cast a horn into a concrete block. You are right - in this case very little gets back to the player.

Liad Bar-EL · 10-24-2006, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by southsidejazz

For many, many years I have religiously collected and played Olds trumpets. As of yesterday I now have 34. I love them dearly. At the end of August my house was broken into, and amongst the things taken was one of my favourite Olds horns. The insurance money had to be spent on a replacement instrument, and after trying fourteen different horns owned by fellow musicians or supplied by manufacturers, I settled on a Taylor Chicago Standard large bore. It is now my horn of choice. Many of my fellow players have blown the model I had on approval and have loved it, claiming it was far better then their own instruments (amongst these were a "Wild Thing", a Monette, an Eclipse, a Lawler, a couple of Bach's, several Yamaha's, and a couple of Kanstul's). However, I have had so much abuse from players about the weight of a Taylor and it's inherrant lack of brightness. I can get a bright sound from my Taylor, and got used to it's weight after only a week. Why are heavy horns so maligned? They play and project so much better than standard (32 - 40oz) trumpets. I am not willing to experience the personal attacks some guys have experienced on this forum, so constructive comments only please.

Usually fear is based on three factors.

Not knowing what to expect through a lack of experience and knowledge which is summed up in one word that we term as ignorance.
Knowing all too well what to expect, the result of which is not desirable which in turn makes one want to turn away, etc, etc out of fear.
Fear is also associated with a feeling of awl, wonderment and "out of this world".

The people who fall into the first two categories will tend to malign that object which is feared for they are unable to deal with it personally.

Personally, with the Taylor Chicago II trumpet, I fall into the third category for Andy Taylor is way ahead of his time in how trumpets are made today and I am just amazed at what he has put into it. I still do not know everything about it…….which are his secrets.

Liad Bar-EL

11thchair · 10-24-2006, 11:17 AM

I personally like the heavy horn. I was chasing light horns for a long time. But it feels like I can add character to the notes with a heavy horn. Can't do that with the lighter horns. I do find the light horns fun to play - but I tend to get too much edge for my taste. And I feel like I'm just playing notes. And I like the darker tone.

Richard Oliver · 11-28-2006, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Solar Bell

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That's how people are....put down what you don't have....especially if it costs more than what you play, or can afford.

-cw-

'tis so. too often.

Welcome to the TM! Btw, my K-Modified is heavy. I like it very much. Who's got an Eclipse I can try

Regards,

Richard

gregc · 11-28-2006, 04:43 PM

Some folks just don't want to hold up a weighty horn all night.

Dale Proctor · 11-28-2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by gregc

Some folks just don't want to hold up a weighty horn all night.

That's what I was about to say - the extra weight can wreak havoc on a player with back problems. As far as the playing characteristics of heavy vs. light, it's up to the player to decide what works best for him/her. I'm sure heavy horns work better in some situations, and light ones work better in others. The main objective is to play a horn that makes you work the least to produce the type of music you're playing. Most players are best served by quality middle-of-the-road equipment, not by the extremes.

Manny Laureano · 11-28-2006, 06:26 PM

That's where the whole body use thing comes in.

When you're using your body properly it really isn't that much different PROVIDED the horn is balanced well. Dave's are very well-balanced and don't feel burdensome unless you are kiind of tight to begin with. I don't know about other manufacturers.

ML

B15M · 11-28-2006, 07:56 PM

The first heavy trumpet I played was a Taylor. It looked like a Monette Ajna. I couldn't believe how well it played. People kept asking me that night "what is that thing?" No regard for how it played.

The next heavy horn was a 993 at the Monette factory. I also played two different Ajna horns that day. One of them I loved and the other I didn't care for. After Dave listened to me play for a while he said that I should get the Ajna, but I didn't. I thought it played really well but I was afraid.
I thought if the Monette thing didn't work for me I could sell the 993 easier.

When I was thinking about what trumpet to get I went to hear Ravi Best play a show on Broadway. I think it was Swing. The trumpet sounded great. It was an Ajna. Beautiful sound down low and up high. I think that was a turning point about the weight thing for me. (I still didn't get that trumpet though)

Mostly I think people are afraid of what they don't understand. Along with that people want everyone to like what they play. If I play Monette, it's the best; if I play Bach, it's the best. It goes to, "I made the best decision and I didn't get ripped off."

Now I play a 993 and although it plays really well I think everything is a trade off. I have some trouble hearing myself and the trumpet is a little heavy for me. I mean holding it up all night on a 4 hour big band job.

Tootsall · 11-28-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by richardwy

'tis so. too often.

Welcome to the TM! Btw, my K-Modified is heavy. I like it very much. Who's got an Eclipse I can try

Regards,

Richard

...If you're ever planning on being about an hour north of the 49th parallel on a heading of approximately 315 from Casper ....

let me know ahead of time and I'll see what I can do.

(Medium Red).

Richard Oliver · 11-29-2006, 12:42 AM

Toots, I wish! Wyoming is crazy, generally, and wonderful, in a few specifics. First off, no one is here. Secondly, the people who are here, are sure they're fixin' to be over-run by folks arriving by the boat load.

The irony boggles the mind.

Regards,

Richard

10-23-2006, 11:48 AM	#11 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Brand: Nat, Piston, Rotary Posts: 3,917	The bell of my Monette Ajna2 is actually very "lively". It has more "ring" than my Bach 229 C trumpet. The heavy horns have a well defined resonance behavior. This gives them a much different "feel" than lighter instruments. I "believe" they play more "predictably". Manfred Amrein (a music dealer and trumpet builder here in Germany) actually cast a horn into a concrete block. You are right - in this case very little gets back to the player.
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11thchair Pianissimo User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Evansville In Posts: 65	I personally like the heavy horn. I was chasing light horns for a long time. But it feels like I can add character to the notes with a heavy horn. Can't do that with the lighter horns. I do find the light horns fun to play - but I tend to get too much edge for my taste. And I feel like I'm just playing notes. And I like the darker tone.
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gregc Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New York, U.S. of A. Brand: Lawler Bf & Flugel Bach C Posts: 548	Some folks just don't want to hold up a weighty horn all night.
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Manny Laureano Utimate User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 5,989	That's where the whole body use thing comes in. When you're using your body properly it really isn't that much different PROVIDED the horn is balanced well. Dave's are very well-balanced and don't feel burdensome unless you are kiind of tight to begin with. I don't know about other manufacturers. ML

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B15M Forte User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Monroe Ct. Posts: 1,255	The first heavy trumpet I played was a Taylor. It looked like a Monette Ajna. I couldn't believe how well it played. People kept asking me that night "what is that thing?" No regard for how it played. The next heavy horn was a 993 at the Monette factory. I also played two different Ajna horns that day. One of them I loved and the other I didn't care for. After Dave listened to me play for a while he said that I should get the Ajna, but I didn't. I thought it played really well but I was afraid. I thought if the Monette thing didn't work for me I could sell the 993 easier. When I was thinking about what trumpet to get I went to hear Ravi Best play a show on Broadway. I think it was Swing. The trumpet sounded great. It was an Ajna. Beautiful sound down low and up high. I think that was a turning point about the weight thing for me. (I still didn't get that trumpet though) Mostly I think people are afraid of what they don't understand. Along with that people want everyone to like what they play. If I play Monette, it's the best; if I play Bach, it's the best. It goes to, "I made the best decision and I didn't get ripped off." Now I play a 993 and although it plays really well I think everything is a trade off. I have some trouble hearing myself and the trumpet is a little heavy for me. I mean holding it up all night on a 4 hour big band job.

11-29-2006, 12:42 AM	#20 (permalink)
Richard Oliver Forte User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Casper, WY Posts: 1,205	Toots, I wish! Wyoming is crazy, generally, and wonderful, in a few specifics. First off, no one is here. Secondly, the people who are here, are sure they're fixin' to be over-run by folks arriving by the boat load. The irony boggles the mind. Regards, Richard

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