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Larry Gianni · 12-01-2003, 01:34 PM

Hi MPM,

You are right on the money about efficiency being the key to not letting " the metal " win. Thanks for the Scoot Englebright " love life " up-date. He hasn't been around town for a while, maybe that marriage thing is why. Scott's not the type of guy that going to lay low for too long.

I'm tracking Scott down as we speak. You do realize that you can put a 37 bell on and med. bore trumpet , replacing a 38.

I'll get the straight dope on this. I called a guy by the name of Louie Fasman , Maynard lead player , whose up in the Bay Area will get the word to him to give me a call. Louie told me he's on a Med. Bach , but didn't know about the bell or leadpipe change.

Also , I hope everyone realizes a " 37 " or " 72" or " 38 " is not considered an official Bach model number. Bach model number , from after the sale of Bach to Selmer in the 60's , actually starts with # 180 followed by the bore ( M,ML and L ) and bore size ie: Bach180ML - 37 That is the actual model number a med large bore with a 37 bell would be ( in laquer ) A med. bore would be M180M - 38 ( or 37 ) . The terminology of calling the trumpet by the bell number goes back to the NY /Mt. Vernon days.

In the New York days , you had the bell / bore /leadpipe combo ( plus sometimes the postal code of the NY Bach plant ) ie: 7-62 / 6 ( 7 bell , large bore . 462, 6 leadpipe ) or 7 - 59 /7 ( 7 bell . 459 bore, 7 pipe )
It's a little confusing to everyone. A bell with no number marking , on a Bb trumpet , was always considered a 37 by the time they moved to Mt. Vernon. You'd say " a 37 " and that would signify a ML, 25 pipe/ 37 bell.

Here an article from a friend of mine about Bach trumpets and models history

http://www.selmer.com/bachology/bacologyI.html

Roy is usually the guy I call with a Bach question , he really knows his stuff and has old contacts at the plant.

Another great trumpet historian/ collector is a fellow named Hal Oringer in NY . He's getting a little old now so you have to listen to the latest condition of his " prostrate " problem before you get any trumpet info out of him, but it's always worth it.

He really is a great guy and loves talking " trumpet " .

Larry

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Larry Gianni Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 266	Hi MPM, You are right on the money about efficiency being the key to not letting " the metal " win. Thanks for the Scoot Englebright " love life " up-date. He hasn't been around town for a while, maybe that marriage thing is why. Scott's not the type of guy that going to lay low for too long. I'm tracking Scott down as we speak. You do realize that you can put a 37 bell on and med. bore trumpet , replacing a 38. I'll get the straight dope on this. I called a guy by the name of Louie Fasman , Maynard lead player , whose up in the Bay Area will get the word to him to give me a call. Louie told me he's on a Med. Bach , but didn't know about the bell or leadpipe change. Also , I hope everyone realizes a " 37 " or " 72" or " 38 " is not considered an official Bach model number. Bach model number , from after the sale of Bach to Selmer in the 60's , actually starts with # 180 followed by the bore ( M,ML and L ) and bore size ie: Bach180ML - 37 That is the actual model number a med large bore with a 37 bell would be ( in laquer ) A med. bore would be M180M - 38 ( or 37 ) . The terminology of calling the trumpet by the bell number goes back to the NY /Mt. Vernon days. In the New York days , you had the bell / bore /leadpipe combo ( plus sometimes the postal code of the NY Bach plant ) ie: 7-62 / 6 ( 7 bell , large bore . 462, 6 leadpipe ) or 7 - 59 /7 ( 7 bell . 459 bore, 7 pipe ) It's a little confusing to everyone. A bell with no number marking , on a Bb trumpet , was always considered a 37 by the time they moved to Mt. Vernon. You'd say " a 37 " and that would signify a ML, 25 pipe/ 37 bell. Here an article from a friend of mine about Bach trumpets and models history http://www.selmer.com/bachology/bacologyI.html Roy is usually the guy I call with a Bach question , he really knows his stuff and has old contacts at the plant. Another great trumpet historian/ collector is a fellow named Hal Oringer in NY . He's getting a little old now so you have to listen to the latest condition of his " prostrate " problem before you get any trumpet info out of him, but it's always worth it. He really is a great guy and loves talking " trumpet " . Larry