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Larry Gianni · 12-03-2003, 12:55 PM

Rich,

The V teeth thing is true. Paul actually had that done and it helped . What it does is funnel the air to exactly down the center of the mouthpiece so you tongue and jaw don't have to pivot or move. In fact, your tongue is best laying flat on the bottom of you mouth, out of the way.

Another friend of mine , Roger Ingram , naturally has that type of front tooth configuration. His 2 front teeth come down and form and gap like an upside down V
between the 2 front ones.

He told me dentists from across the country, over the years, have asked for pictures of his 2 front teeth so client could get there teeth to match. A dentist can actually file the 2 front teeth in the upside down
v pattern ever so slightly, becasue the nerves don't start until high up.
( It looks like a pyramid space has been shaped between your 2 teeth so the outer corners are longer than the inner corners . ) Doesn't sound like a very kosher dentist to me.

A dental imperfection like this seem to really help guide the airflow.
I think I 'vet told this story privately, but never posted it , but if I'm wrong I apologize but it pertains to this " Front Teeth " discussion

When I was growing up in the San Francisco Bay Area the two main commercial trumpet players/teachers were Johnny Coppola ( played lead trumpet for Stan Kenton with Maynard on the Band and Woody Herman had a Martin Trumpet endorsement. He played on a Martin LB Committee that Maynard gave him that Joe Marc. has copied has in his line ) and Billy Catelano, a high note player that took Maynard's spot on Kenton's band.
I took lessons from both these guys, ( me being Italian also, who else would I take lessons from but these 2 guys ) but mainly Billy , He's mainly famous for teaching at that time a unknown high school trumpet player by the name Jon Faddis. ( Billy brother was also my his school band director ).

Anyway, every Sat. morning, I'd be waiting outside the room waiting for my turn following the now famous Jon Faddis. I could hear this guy rattle the walls and brake glass and then see this lanky 16 -17 year old kid walk out and we'd talk a little and he's leave and I'd go in. What and act to follow.

One morning . I'm listening and I thought some else had taken Jon's time slot. It sounded awful in there, train wreck city. But, to my surprise , out walks Jon at the end of his lesson and walks right on past without a word, head down.

I walk into the room and ask Billy what's up with Jon. Billy tells me that his father had brought Jon to the dentist and had his front teeth capped to get rid of the ugly chip and irregular front teeth formation.he had. Well, it dropped his range about a 1Oth and he couldn't tongue to save his life.

That following Monday, Jon's dental caps came off, and the rest is history. At 18 - 19 he left the bay Area with Lionel Hampton's band never to return.Listen to the early Thad Jones / Mel Lewis with Jon at about 20 years old. It a little uncontrolled and raucous, but man can he play. At that time , he played a Schilke B6lb and a Schilke 6a4a.

Wayne Bergeron and Dave Stahl both credit a chipped front tooth early in their childhood for the ability to hit Double C's while still in high school.

I was privileged enough to get some lessons from Cat Anderson before his death and what he taught when playing in the upper register to actually close you mouth entirely and blow thru your teeth. Tongue as flat as possible.
Bud Brisbois also said let you tongue lay flat in your mouth as you play up high. I found that only works if you have a " sp stream " type embouchure and your jaw actually acts as an air valve.
If you pivot as you ply higher , then you tongue has to do something to restrict the air and help it to move faster.

I know Wayne and Roger pretty well in fact one of the worst jobs I ever had was a Big Band cruise ship , Vegas type show , back in the mid 80's were the trumpet section consisted of Roger , Wayne and myself. Rich Bullock played bass trombone , he had just come off Buddies band lat tour and the lead alto player Danny , left the cruise mid tour to play lead alto for Basie's Band.
This big band had really some great players with alot of experience.
It was so boring , we would fit over who got to play lead trumpet on " Sting of Pearls " and my Grandmother could sing and dance better than most of those acts but LA had a Musicians Union Strike going on at the time and jobs were scarce.

One night , Roger , out shear frustration, ( plus there was an open bar on the ship ) takes the solo in " In the Mood " up and octave, much to the chagrin of the band leader then Wayne has the solo in a 40's tune called " Marie " and in the middle , he takes it up and octave, just to really piss off the leader, That kind of stuff happened every night just to relieve the boredom. Another thing that happened every once in a while we would play the opening to " "Pennsylvania 6500 " in octaves with Roger ,Wayne and I alternating on who's going to play the exposed High Bb at the beginning or the tune over the other two playing the Bb above the staff under him then cascading down to earth with the opening. You should have seen the " blue hair " spin around and the scrimp cocktails fly on that one. Yeah, I know , pretty immature stuff, but we were young and immature. We promised the band leader every time it would never happen again, but we lied.

Both those guys just about put a hole in the side of the ship every night. I not only got a trumpet lesson during that cruise , but heard great " road stories " that can't be printed in a public forum.. Wayne had just left Maynard's band and Roger had just left a lead trumpet job in Las Vegas. The band leader hated us all, but was stuck with us for a while. I had the privilege of being the first fired. I guess my Hi Bb was the weakest of the 3 , because I know I'm better looking that those other guys.

Please, I'm not comparing myself to wither of those guys. They are immense talents , both deserve the recognition they've achieved. Wayne's a great guy, he lets me wash his car on Weds. and Sat. and I can polish his Kanstul trpt. every 2 weeks for him if I remember to wipe my feet at the door. Roger , whose back in LA after a long stay in New York , now returns every 3 rd phone call , it used to be every 5th phone call so I do feel blessed.

Please, don't go to any dentist and change the configuration of your front teeth. There a many more great player with normal teeth that play wonderfully. A chipped tooth is no guarantee of ' trumpet stardom " In fact, Maynard front teeth are all implants , ( late 60's ) and his new set are smooth , round and even.

Check this album cover showing Maynard's new choppers.
http://maynard.ferguson.net/images/albums/cham2.jpg

It did take him a while to re-adjust , but some of his best work MF 1, MF 1, MF - live at Jimmy's are with his new ones . You can hear the difference from his earlier sound of the 60's ( Live at Newport ) The only difference in equipment was the throat in his mouthpiece went from a 25 on his Giardinelli MF 1 ( started playing that one in 1962 ) to a 19 on his Jet Tone which he played in the late 60's early 70's . He played his FBi model ( Ferguson, Bell Inc. ) mouthpiece between those and I don't know what size hole it had. That's because his resistance factor changes , so to feel like he was putting the same amount in air in the horn, the lack of resistance his original teeth gave him, no had to be transferred to the throat of his mouthpiece Bessie he had more resistance in his mouth. Remember my key words " Balance and Efficiency " those physical laws eve apply to Maynard. Maybe someone who has one could write in. Plus I believe he went from playing a Conn 38 B trumpet to his Holton line after his implants but I don't know that for a fact. Conn 38B - .438 bore Holton Maynard Model - .468 bore .

Jim New at Kanstul's has a scan of a FBI and I'll give him a call an ask sometime today. I have no life , as you well can see.

Larry Gianni

Double Gold Plated Conn Director , heavy bottom caps on 2nd and 3rd valve only , 13 " color " tuning slides , Malone pinky ring , titanium valve guides , amado water keys installed at exactly 13 degree's so they are exactly parallel to the ground when I play
reversed blackburn leadpipe , double annealed mouthpiece receiver, Harry James false teeth valve tops

Jet Tone Mf 1 with Bach 1c rim , cut for sleeves fitted with Prana backbore, bent 9 degrees up and t the left, 9 throat. ( Dave's cat told me to do that )

12-03-2003, 12:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
Larry Gianni Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 266	Rich, The V teeth thing is true. Paul actually had that done and it helped . What it does is funnel the air to exactly down the center of the mouthpiece so you tongue and jaw don't have to pivot or move. In fact, your tongue is best laying flat on the bottom of you mouth, out of the way. Another friend of mine , Roger Ingram , naturally has that type of front tooth configuration. His 2 front teeth come down and form and gap like an upside down V between the 2 front ones. He told me dentists from across the country, over the years, have asked for pictures of his 2 front teeth so client could get there teeth to match. A dentist can actually file the 2 front teeth in the upside down v pattern ever so slightly, becasue the nerves don't start until high up. ( It looks like a pyramid space has been shaped between your 2 teeth so the outer corners are longer than the inner corners . ) Doesn't sound like a very kosher dentist to me. A dental imperfection like this seem to really help guide the airflow. I think I 'vet told this story privately, but never posted it , but if I'm wrong I apologize but it pertains to this " Front Teeth " discussion When I was growing up in the San Francisco Bay Area the two main commercial trumpet players/teachers were Johnny Coppola ( played lead trumpet for Stan Kenton with Maynard on the Band and Woody Herman had a Martin Trumpet endorsement. He played on a Martin LB Committee that Maynard gave him that Joe Marc. has copied has in his line ) and Billy Catelano, a high note player that took Maynard's spot on Kenton's band. I took lessons from both these guys, ( me being Italian also, who else would I take lessons from but these 2 guys ) but mainly Billy , He's mainly famous for teaching at that time a unknown high school trumpet player by the name Jon Faddis. ( Billy brother was also my his school band director ). Anyway, every Sat. morning, I'd be waiting outside the room waiting for my turn following the now famous Jon Faddis. I could hear this guy rattle the walls and brake glass and then see this lanky 16 -17 year old kid walk out and we'd talk a little and he's leave and I'd go in. What and act to follow. One morning . I'm listening and I thought some else had taken Jon's time slot. It sounded awful in there, train wreck city. But, to my surprise , out walks Jon at the end of his lesson and walks right on past without a word, head down. I walk into the room and ask Billy what's up with Jon. Billy tells me that his father had brought Jon to the dentist and had his front teeth capped to get rid of the ugly chip and irregular front teeth formation.he had. Well, it dropped his range about a 1Oth and he couldn't tongue to save his life. That following Monday, Jon's dental caps came off, and the rest is history. At 18 - 19 he left the bay Area with Lionel Hampton's band never to return.Listen to the early Thad Jones / Mel Lewis with Jon at about 20 years old. It a little uncontrolled and raucous, but man can he play. At that time , he played a Schilke B6lb and a Schilke 6a4a. Wayne Bergeron and Dave Stahl both credit a chipped front tooth early in their childhood for the ability to hit Double C's while still in high school. I was privileged enough to get some lessons from Cat Anderson before his death and what he taught when playing in the upper register to actually close you mouth entirely and blow thru your teeth. Tongue as flat as possible. Bud Brisbois also said let you tongue lay flat in your mouth as you play up high. I found that only works if you have a " sp stream " type embouchure and your jaw actually acts as an air valve. If you pivot as you ply higher , then you tongue has to do something to restrict the air and help it to move faster. I know Wayne and Roger pretty well in fact one of the worst jobs I ever had was a Big Band cruise ship , Vegas type show , back in the mid 80's were the trumpet section consisted of Roger , Wayne and myself. Rich Bullock played bass trombone , he had just come off Buddies band lat tour and the lead alto player Danny , left the cruise mid tour to play lead alto for Basie's Band. This big band had really some great players with alot of experience. It was so boring , we would fit over who got to play lead trumpet on " Sting of Pearls " and my Grandmother could sing and dance better than most of those acts but LA had a Musicians Union Strike going on at the time and jobs were scarce. One night , Roger , out shear frustration, ( plus there was an open bar on the ship ) takes the solo in " In the Mood " up and octave, much to the chagrin of the band leader then Wayne has the solo in a 40's tune called " Marie " and in the middle , he takes it up and octave, just to really piss off the leader, That kind of stuff happened every night just to relieve the boredom. Another thing that happened every once in a while we would play the opening to " "Pennsylvania 6500 " in octaves with Roger ,Wayne and I alternating on who's going to play the exposed High Bb at the beginning or the tune over the other two playing the Bb above the staff under him then cascading down to earth with the opening. You should have seen the " blue hair " spin around and the scrimp cocktails fly on that one. Yeah, I know , pretty immature stuff, but we were young and immature. We promised the band leader every time it would never happen again, but we lied. Both those guys just about put a hole in the side of the ship every night. I not only got a trumpet lesson during that cruise , but heard great " road stories " that can't be printed in a public forum.. Wayne had just left Maynard's band and Roger had just left a lead trumpet job in Las Vegas. The band leader hated us all, but was stuck with us for a while. I had the privilege of being the first fired. I guess my Hi Bb was the weakest of the 3 , because I know I'm better looking that those other guys. Please, I'm not comparing myself to wither of those guys. They are immense talents , both deserve the recognition they've achieved. Wayne's a great guy, he lets me wash his car on Weds. and Sat. and I can polish his Kanstul trpt. every 2 weeks for him if I remember to wipe my feet at the door. Roger , whose back in LA after a long stay in New York , now returns every 3 rd phone call , it used to be every 5th phone call so I do feel blessed. Please, don't go to any dentist and change the configuration of your front teeth. There a many more great player with normal teeth that play wonderfully. A chipped tooth is no guarantee of ' trumpet stardom " In fact, Maynard front teeth are all implants , ( late 60's ) and his new set are smooth , round and even. Check this album cover showing Maynard's new choppers. http://maynard.ferguson.net/images/albums/cham2.jpg It did take him a while to re-adjust , but some of his best work MF 1, MF 1, MF - live at Jimmy's are with his new ones . You can hear the difference from his earlier sound of the 60's ( Live at Newport ) The only difference in equipment was the throat in his mouthpiece went from a 25 on his Giardinelli MF 1 ( started playing that one in 1962 ) to a 19 on his Jet Tone which he played in the late 60's early 70's . He played his FBi model ( Ferguson, Bell Inc. ) mouthpiece between those and I don't know what size hole it had. That's because his resistance factor changes , so to feel like he was putting the same amount in air in the horn, the lack of resistance his original teeth gave him, no had to be transferred to the throat of his mouthpiece Bessie he had more resistance in his mouth. Remember my key words " Balance and Efficiency " those physical laws eve apply to Maynard. Maybe someone who has one could write in. Plus I believe he went from playing a Conn 38 B trumpet to his Holton line after his implants but I don't know that for a fact. Conn 38B - .438 bore Holton Maynard Model - .468 bore . Jim New at Kanstul's has a scan of a FBI and I'll give him a call an ask sometime today. I have no life , as you well can see. Larry Gianni Double Gold Plated Conn Director , heavy bottom caps on 2nd and 3rd valve only , 13 " color " tuning slides , Malone pinky ring , titanium valve guides , amado water keys installed at exactly 13 degree's so they are exactly parallel to the ground when I play reversed blackburn leadpipe , double annealed mouthpiece receiver, Harry James false teeth valve tops Jet Tone Mf 1 with Bach 1c rim , cut for sleeves fitted with Prana backbore, bent 9 degrees up and t the left, 9 throat. ( Dave's cat told me to do that )