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Larry Gianni · 06-14-2004, 10:01 PM

Rick ( Rhdroc )

OFF, OFF, OFF TOPIC ( but necessary I believe )

You've asked me before about Paul Hubinon and I've not forgotten , but the stuff I heard was never very pleasant so I've always hesitated to relay what I found , but here goes anyway.

The quest for "Paul Hubinon and his LA Recording days " information

I've talked to alot of guys in town who knew Paul and worked with Paul and the conversation always starts the same " I really hate to speak I'll of the dead , Larry" , because they all know what has to said when talking about Paul, so I'd like to relay the tip foe the iceberg of what I've learned.

Paul had a huge drinking and drug problem and eventually would up playing in certain circles, because all drug depended people like other " druggies " around them, that he eventually died of an overdose.

I'm not saying he wasn't ever considered a fine player, but everyone I spoke to , including Gary Grant who has had his small battles with drugs in the past, it was always relayed to me that he was a very nasty and belligerent drunk / druggie to be around. He was always very un-pleasant to work both for other trumpet players around him, the surrounding musicians, leaders and contractors because of his intense substance abuse, years of this went on for Paul and it only got worse, you probably get the picture I'm just slightly painting.

In that day and age around Los Angeles , there were so many great players and more work for trumpet players than trumpet players to fill the slots , Paul's talents ( and the need for younger brass players for the new " electronic age " ... young , drug Dependant / booze Dependant rock stars liked to be around studio horn players that were like they were. No one wanted graying,, balding , grey flannel suited horn section players on their sessions , which lasted all night most times... ask Phil Spector and his wall of sound guys ... you had to fit the part physiologically and physically and cosmetically , not only musically to get the call ) were a sure bet , for a while , to outshine his dependencies.

I write this because I get asked about LA players who have died young mainly from later / newer generations want to know more about them becasue of there name on recordings.

Rick, we've talked before on the phone so I think you know me well enough that I don't give this information out to just start trouble or sqash idols. Many, many , Hubinon nighmare stories were relayed to me over this past year after I'd bring up his name in conversations wanting to know more him to relay to you and not just by other trumpet players.

I think one specific statement said to me after a long Hubinon conversation was by LA Studio Trumpet Bill Peterson. Bill played with Brisbois and Dalton Smith on all the Hanna / Barbera cartoons . He played the solo trumpet for the movie theme " Jonathon Livingston Seagull " , he was part of the Findley, Hubinon, Grant, Hey , Brisobis , D Smith , playing clique , he was pres. of local 47 LA Musician Union, he is now 72 and lived the " Golden Age " of recording in Hollywood , a 3 session a day lifestyle , never to be scene again, and what he said to me at the end of a long talk was very poignant I thought.

He said , with much sorrow in his voice:

" At Paul's funeral, with all the thousands of guys he worked with over the years, there was only one person who attended....I was it " ... I think that says it all.

I'm somewhat sorry to relay this info but......

LG

You know , it always amazed me when players talked glowingly about Frank Rosolino with such admiration .... here's a man who shot his 2 young sons in the head point blank with a gun as they slept and then killed himself ... shouldn't his T-Bone talents always play a small role in giving a man who could do this kind of evil accolades ?... Think about it.

06-14-2004, 10:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
Larry Gianni Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 266	Paul Hubinon - Reality Rick ( Rhdroc ) OFF, OFF, OFF TOPIC ( but necessary I believe ) You've asked me before about Paul Hubinon and I've not forgotten , but the stuff I heard was never very pleasant so I've always hesitated to relay what I found , but here goes anyway. The quest for "Paul Hubinon and his LA Recording days " information I've talked to alot of guys in town who knew Paul and worked with Paul and the conversation always starts the same " I really hate to speak I'll of the dead , Larry" , because they all know what has to said when talking about Paul, so I'd like to relay the tip foe the iceberg of what I've learned. Paul had a huge drinking and drug problem and eventually would up playing in certain circles, because all drug depended people like other " druggies " around them, that he eventually died of an overdose. I'm not saying he wasn't ever considered a fine player, but everyone I spoke to , including Gary Grant who has had his small battles with drugs in the past, it was always relayed to me that he was a very nasty and belligerent drunk / druggie to be around. He was always very un-pleasant to work both for other trumpet players around him, the surrounding musicians, leaders and contractors because of his intense substance abuse, years of this went on for Paul and it only got worse, you probably get the picture I'm just slightly painting. In that day and age around Los Angeles , there were so many great players and more work for trumpet players than trumpet players to fill the slots , Paul's talents ( and the need for younger brass players for the new " electronic age " ... young , drug Dependant / booze Dependant rock stars liked to be around studio horn players that were like they were. No one wanted graying,, balding , grey flannel suited horn section players on their sessions , which lasted all night most times... ask Phil Spector and his wall of sound guys ... you had to fit the part physiologically and physically and cosmetically , not only musically to get the call ) were a sure bet , for a while , to outshine his dependencies. I write this because I get asked about LA players who have died young mainly from later / newer generations want to know more about them becasue of there name on recordings. Rick, we've talked before on the phone so I think you know me well enough that I don't give this information out to just start trouble or sqash idols. Many, many , Hubinon nighmare stories were relayed to me over this past year after I'd bring up his name in conversations wanting to know more him to relay to you and not just by other trumpet players. I think one specific statement said to me after a long Hubinon conversation was by LA Studio Trumpet Bill Peterson. Bill played with Brisbois and Dalton Smith on all the Hanna / Barbera cartoons . He played the solo trumpet for the movie theme " Jonathon Livingston Seagull " , he was part of the Findley, Hubinon, Grant, Hey , Brisobis , D Smith , playing clique , he was pres. of local 47 LA Musician Union, he is now 72 and lived the " Golden Age " of recording in Hollywood , a 3 session a day lifestyle , never to be scene again, and what he said to me at the end of a long talk was very poignant I thought. He said , with much sorrow in his voice: " At Paul's funeral, with all the thousands of guys he worked with over the years, there was only one person who attended....I was it " ... I think that says it all. I'm somewhat sorry to relay this info but...... LG You know , it always amazed me when players talked glowingly about Frank Rosolino with such admiration .... here's a man who shot his 2 young sons in the head point blank with a gun as they slept and then killed himself ... shouldn't his T-Bone talents always play a small role in giving a man who could do this kind of evil accolades ?... Think about it.