Recording with mutes - Page 2

tom turner · 05-12-2007, 09:55 PM

Hi,

The biggest danger of using a ribbon mic is if some idiot running the mixer turns on the phantom power . . . for it will fry the expensive ribbon.

T.

gridjam · 05-14-2007, 07:47 PM

Hi Andy and all-
thanks for the great insights. From now on I'm sending people here when they write me for mic advice
:)

bachstrad72 · 05-14-2007, 09:20 PM

Hey, if you guys enjoy recordings of different mutes, check out Woody Herman alumnus George Rabbai's latest cd "Muted Bebop" on the Dreambox Media label. On the album george uses a different mute on every track, some of which being Humes and Berg Mica Mute, Shastock cup, Ardsley bucket and many more! Check it out.

muted bebop - Google Search

johnmarkpainter · 06-16-2007, 01:32 AM

Hello to all,

I'm new here.
Semi-Hack Trumpet player but experienced recording engineer.

RE: Phantom Power and Ribbon Mics
Only a danger if wiring is Backwards
OR in the studio someone pulls a Patch Cable to your mic that has Phantom power running through it. It can short sending a spike to your ribbon.

Most of the Miles Davis stuff was recorded with a Neumann U47 Tube Mic.
They really vary from Mic to mic. You just don't want one that is too bright. Tube Mics tend to be better for soft playing.

Ribbons are much smoother and naturally compress your dynamics.
An AEA 84 is a great mic.
For much less money, an Apex 205 as modified by OktavaMod - Shop
Is an excellent choice (I have two)
I have owned AEA 44 and two AEA 84's and have used them in Big Band, Solo and Orchestral settings.

Ribbon Mics can get WAY too much low end if you get too close. (Proximity effect) You will get big subby thumps on every attack.
Also
A direct puff of air into a Ribbon mic will stretch the ribbon and screw it up.
Engineers will get very tense if you get too close to a Ribbon.

ANYWAY,
Due to the problems with getting up close on Ribbon mics, I prefer to use my U47/Style Tube Mic (Korby Audio) which has tons of Low End when recording Harmon Mute
It is the only way to get that breathy Miles tone. Play very softly and eat the mic.

I'm happy to start here with something I know a bit about and am looking forward to asking lots of questions about things I know NOTHING about :)

jmp

05-12-2007, 09:55 PM	#11 (permalink)
tom turner Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Georgia, USA Brand: F. Oakes tpts/flug/cornet Posts: 788	Re: Recording with mutes Hi, The biggest danger of using a ribbon mic is if some idiot running the mixer turns on the phantom power . . . for it will fry the expensive ribbon. T.

05-14-2007, 07:47 PM	#12 (permalink)
gridjam Pianissimo User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York Brand: BACH Posts: 146	Re: Recording with mutes Hi Andy and all- thanks for the great insights. From now on I'm sending people here when they write me for mic advice :)

05-14-2007, 09:20 PM	#13 (permalink)
bachstrad72 Pianissimo User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Philly Brand: Bach, G & W Posts: 174	Re: Recording with mutes Hey, if you guys enjoy recordings of different mutes, check out Woody Herman alumnus George Rabbai's latest cd "Muted Bebop" on the Dreambox Media label. On the album george uses a different mute on every track, some of which being Humes and Berg Mica Mute, Shastock cup, Ardsley bucket and many more! Check it out. muted bebop - Google Search Last edited by bachstrad72 : 05-14-2007 at 09:24 PM.

06-16-2007, 01:32 AM	#14 (permalink)
johnmarkpainter Pianissimo User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 111	Re: Recording with mutes Hello to all, I'm new here. Semi-Hack Trumpet player but experienced recording engineer. RE: Phantom Power and Ribbon Mics Only a danger if wiring is Backwards OR in the studio someone pulls a Patch Cable to your mic that has Phantom power running through it. It can short sending a spike to your ribbon. Most of the Miles Davis stuff was recorded with a Neumann U47 Tube Mic. They really vary from Mic to mic. You just don't want one that is too bright. Tube Mics tend to be better for soft playing. Ribbons are much smoother and naturally compress your dynamics. An AEA 84 is a great mic. For much less money, an Apex 205 as modified by OktavaMod - Shop Is an excellent choice (I have two) I have owned AEA 44 and two AEA 84's and have used them in Big Band, Solo and Orchestral settings. Ribbon Mics can get WAY too much low end if you get too close. (Proximity effect) You will get big subby thumps on every attack. Also A direct puff of air into a Ribbon mic will stretch the ribbon and screw it up. Engineers will get very tense if you get too close to a Ribbon. ANYWAY, Due to the problems with getting up close on Ribbon mics, I prefer to use my U47/Style Tube Mic (Korby Audio) which has tons of Low End when recording Harmon Mute It is the only way to get that breathy Miles tone. Play very softly and eat the mic. I'm happy to start here with something I know a bit about and am looking forward to asking lots of questions about things I know NOTHING about :) jmp Last edited by johnmarkpainter : 06-16-2007 at 01:47 AM.

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