Tips for Improvisation? - Page 2

KSF2990 · 04-10-2008, 07:36 PM

what are 'permutations'?

BergeronWannabe · 04-10-2008, 08:01 PM

I firmly believe in the benefit of transcription...listening (over and over!) and imitating. It is a language, right? You have to know what
you want to say before you say it.

gridjam · 04-10-2008, 11:59 PM

per·mute vt
1. to change the order of items in a group, especially to rearrange them in every possible way
2. to reorder the elements in a mathematical set

It's a fancy way of saying invert or inversions...
135 513 315 153 triads!
1357 7153 5173 etc ( maj 7, min 7 dom 7, dim 7, aug 7)
1235 5123 2153 etc
there are many...have fun!

gridjam · 04-11-2008, 12:00 AM

and yes Bergeron W... that too. AND MORE

clousemiester · 04-11-2008, 09:24 AM

Learning a laguage is an excellant analogy! Start to speak slowly.
When first experimenting; my high school band director advised to first observe the key signature, you'll hear the chords. Later ... While playing in Rock Bands that changing from Major to Minor---Dom. to Maj.When listening to Bird and Dizzy ...... I hear any note any scale. as long as you end on the right note. And what makes it right? What note comes after that, or after that. Don't feel too bond by "changes" (chords) Transition to the next one is just part of the conversation or statement.

mctrumpet · 04-11-2008, 09:30 PM

So when you say change phrases and stuff does that mean like playing it backwards or changing the octave of certain notes in the phrase?

trumpetnick · 04-12-2008, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brem

mctrumpet: are you like me, concentrating on playing the "right" notes and not so much about the rythm?

Your statement thinks me of a jazz standard that probably we all love...here is the text:

One Note Samba

This is just a little samba
Built upon a single note
Other notes are bound to follow
But the root is still that note

Now this new note is the consequence of the one we've just been through
As I'm bound to be the unavoidable consequence of you

There's so many people who can talk and talk and talk
and just say nothing or nearly nothing
I have used up all the scale I know and at the end I've come
to nothing or nearly nothing

So I come back to my first note as I must come back to you
I will pour into that one note all the love I feel for you
Any one who wants the whole show dó-ré-mi-fá-sol-lá-ti-dó
He will find himself with no show better play the note you know

or if you prefer the sinatra singin' it... YouTube - Frank SINATRA - One Note Samba (Samba De Uma Nota So) myself I prefer Al Jarreau but could not find his version on the net

04-10-2008, 07:36 PM	#11 (permalink)
KSF2990 New Friend Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: LaGrange, NY Posts: 4	Re: Tips for Improvisation? what are 'permutations'?

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BergeronWannabe Pianissimo User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 233	Re: Tips for Improvisation? I firmly believe in the benefit of transcription...listening (over and over!) and imitating. It is a language, right? You have to know what you want to say before you say it.

04-10-2008, 11:59 PM	#13 (permalink)
gridjam Pianissimo User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York Brand: BACH Posts: 142	Re: Tips for Improvisation? per·mute vt 1. to change the order of items in a group, especially to rearrange them in every possible way 2. to reorder the elements in a mathematical set It's a fancy way of saying invert or inversions... 135 513 315 153 triads! 1357 7153 5173 etc ( maj 7, min 7 dom 7, dim 7, aug 7) 1235 5123 2153 etc there are many...have fun!

04-11-2008, 12:00 AM	#14 (permalink)
gridjam Pianissimo User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York Brand: BACH Posts: 142	Re: Tips for Improvisation? and yes Bergeron W... that too. AND MORE

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clousemiester New Friend Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Boca Raton Brand: Schilke Posts: 48	Re: Tips for Improvisation? Learning a laguage is an excellant analogy! Start to speak slowly. When first experimenting; my high school band director advised to first observe the key signature, you'll hear the chords. Later ... While playing in Rock Bands that changing from Major to Minor---Dom. to Maj.When listening to Bird and Dizzy ...... I hear any note any scale. as long as you end on the right note. And what makes it right? What note comes after that, or after that. Don't feel too bond by "changes" (chords) Transition to the next one is just part of the conversation or statement.
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mctrumpet New Friend Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: FL Brand: monette(mouthpieces),Bach Posts: 43	Re: Tips for Improvisation? So when you say change phrases and stuff does that mean like playing it backwards or changing the octave of certain notes in the phrase?
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