Jack - oddly enough, I tried this at an ITG - I actually found it easier than on a valved D - please note eas
ier, not eas
y - still mind-blowingly stupid idea - great way to stuff up your chops for the rest of the day (which I did) - not something to do when there is a young lady with you (which there was

) - she won't appreciate your chops being completely screwed up (she didn't

).