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Leadtrumpetgirl · 02-13-2007, 01:19 PM

I have owned two Eastlake models (bought new in the 1970s) and still have one (earlier) Cleveland horn. These horns were the very last designed by HN White co. for the great Dizzy Gillespie in the 1960s.. The Cleveland horn has steel valve pistons & one piece bell. both are .462" The Eastlake horns were still very well assembled, but with plated valves. Although there is no major difference in the sound, players do have their preferences. This is one of the most flexible and responsive horns ever built. The leadpipe's taper extends into the top of the tuning slide, increasing the smoothness of falls & lifts. It puzzles me as to why the slide wasn't just reversed! The finish is silverplate OVER lacquer (like some older Vegas & other pro horns). This is most often overlooked by restoration shops. They also tend to ignore taper specs when replacing a leadpipe & defer to the Allied generic pipe - (used on 90% of repairs). This may compel them to change the inner & outer slide tubes as well This does not significantly change the sound or playability, but if you are sensitive, you can tell. Also, the lacquer used on the Cleveland horns is a bit different. (Anyone who has tried to strip a King's (gold) lacquer knows how tough it is). This helps account for the sound as well as the excellent adhesion of the silver itself.
The design of these newer (disappointing)UMI horns is easy to spot with two braces, fixed third ring and screw stop. These horns, although bearing the name cannot compare tho the vintage Flairs. They are more like student grade horns - as is currently, Bach seeks a level of mediocrity previously unseen in American manufacturing, by having a line of horns built in China. They have taken many great names - (Buescher, Conn, King & others) & morphed the models into each other so we never know what we are getting! Its like the Rolls Royce company building VWs!
Thanks for the welcome to TrumpetMaster site.
I'll be back!
Charmaine
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02-13-2007, 01:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
Leadtrumpetgirl New Friend Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2	~~about the King Flairs I have owned two Eastlake models (bought new in the 1970s) and still have one (earlier) Cleveland horn. These horns were the very last designed by HN White co. for the great Dizzy Gillespie in the 1960s.. The Cleveland horn has steel valve pistons & one piece bell. both are .462" The Eastlake horns were still very well assembled, but with plated valves. Although there is no major difference in the sound, players do have their preferences. This is one of the most flexible and responsive horns ever built. The leadpipe's taper extends into the top of the tuning slide, increasing the smoothness of falls & lifts. It puzzles me as to why the slide wasn't just reversed! The finish is silverplate OVER lacquer (like some older Vegas & other pro horns). This is most often overlooked by restoration shops. They also tend to ignore taper specs when replacing a leadpipe & defer to the Allied generic pipe - (used on 90% of repairs). This may compel them to change the inner & outer slide tubes as well This does not significantly change the sound or playability, but if you are sensitive, you can tell. Also, the lacquer used on the Cleveland horns is a bit different. (Anyone who has tried to strip a King's (gold) lacquer knows how tough it is). This helps account for the sound as well as the excellent adhesion of the silver itself. The design of these newer (disappointing)UMI horns is easy to spot with two braces, fixed third ring and screw stop. These horns, although bearing the name cannot compare tho the vintage Flairs. They are more like student grade horns - as is currently, Bach seeks a level of mediocrity previously unseen in American manufacturing, by having a line of horns built in China. They have taken many great names - (Buescher, Conn, King & others) & morphed the models into each other so we never know what we are getting! Its like the Rolls Royce company building VWs! Thanks for the welcome to TrumpetMaster site. I'll be back! Charmaine ¦\_____ --- _____ ¦/ (___=¦¦¦¦=__) __________________ Charmaine Last edited by Leadtrumpetgirl; 02-16-2007 at 10:36 AM. Reason: add my custon horn to sig