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Kamikaze · 04-27-2007, 11:52 PM

Hello! I'm new here but have been reading for some time now and I wanted to comment on the " rolling in the lips ", by treblemaker.

For some people, that type of embrochure may be more effective as it is part of the concept of play pioneered by Roy Stevens. I have seen Mr. Stevens' student; Roy Roman tout the " No Pressure" system where the mouth has an aperture of approximately 1/4" opening between the teeth, the top and bottom lips are rolled in to cover the teeth and the lower jaw is brought forward. The facial muscles are brought in a downward position where the face appears like a frowning bull dog but the velocity and pressure of the airstream is used to vibrate the portion of the lips contacting the mouthpiece.

Roy Roman demonstrates his techinique doing warm-ups in the upper register while laying the horn on it's side in the open palm of his hand! No fingers to grasp the horn in anyway to "pull" it into the mouth. He does this and plays double and sometimes triple high "C's"! BTW, the mouthpiece is placed direct center of the top and bottom lips.

Now I was taught the Louis Maggio and Claude Gordon methods and often fought with the lip position and the "Pucker". I had much difficulty adapting to this method and with the teacher telling me, "This is the best and ONLY way to play!" I later changed to a different instructor but never knew what technique he taught but learned more in theory and playing than making a good sound and a full range.

So, I basically learned "The wrong way" on my own and I feel my tone and endurance suffered. I have a decent range but have decided to go back to the drawing board and "re-learn" to get a broader, fuller sound with more power and control. Of course improving upon the range is a big consideration but I'm interested in hearing some details on what techniques some of you were taught, what styles of music you mainly play, what type of lips and facial structures you have and of course what type of horns and mouthpieces you use.

I realize some of you have learned different techiniques from various instructors but I'm trying to see what works for you and how your jaw, lips, and facial structures are. This will give me a better idea of what I need to look into for myself and my child who is just starting out.

Thanks for putting up with this long post!

04-27-2007, 11:52 PM	#10 (permalink)
Kamikaze New Friend Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3	Re: Embouchure Hello! I'm new here but have been reading for some time now and I wanted to comment on the " rolling in the lips ", by treblemaker. For some people, that type of embrochure may be more effective as it is part of the concept of play pioneered by Roy Stevens. I have seen Mr. Stevens' student; Roy Roman tout the " No Pressure" system where the mouth has an aperture of approximately 1/4" opening between the teeth, the top and bottom lips are rolled in to cover the teeth and the lower jaw is brought forward. The facial muscles are brought in a downward position where the face appears like a frowning bull dog but the velocity and pressure of the airstream is used to vibrate the portion of the lips contacting the mouthpiece. Roy Roman demonstrates his techinique doing warm-ups in the upper register while laying the horn on it's side in the open palm of his hand! No fingers to grasp the horn in anyway to "pull" it into the mouth. He does this and plays double and sometimes triple high "C's"! BTW, the mouthpiece is placed direct center of the top and bottom lips. Now I was taught the Louis Maggio and Claude Gordon methods and often fought with the lip position and the "Pucker". I had much difficulty adapting to this method and with the teacher telling me, "This is the best and ONLY way to play!" I later changed to a different instructor but never knew what technique he taught but learned more in theory and playing than making a good sound and a full range. So, I basically learned "The wrong way" on my own and I feel my tone and endurance suffered. I have a decent range but have decided to go back to the drawing board and "re-learn" to get a broader, fuller sound with more power and control. Of course improving upon the range is a big consideration but I'm interested in hearing some details on what techniques some of you were taught, what styles of music you mainly play, what type of lips and facial structures you have and of course what type of horns and mouthpieces you use. I realize some of you have learned different techiniques from various instructors but I'm trying to see what works for you and how your jaw, lips, and facial structures are. This will give me a better idea of what I need to look into for myself and my child who is just starting out. Thanks for putting up with this long post!