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Originally Posted by rowuk  ...
Just lighten up a bit.
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"the size of the lips when not playing has little to do with the size "compressed" or rolled in when playing"
Wrong, a fleshy lower lip has tendency to protrude into the cup a little bit more than a less-fleshy upper lip, because no matter how much muscular development you have there the fleshy lip will remain fleshy even when those muscles are tensed.
If I have a fat beer belly, that fat beer belly will protrude even when the muscles beneath it are well-developed.
And a fleshy lip which only protrudes an extra 1/32 of an inch into a cup reduces the relative cup depth by one letter, such as from a Bach 7C to a Bach 7D.
By the way, in Reinhardt terms I am referring to the anchor lip rather than to the other lip which rolls under the anchor lip (I am upstream, so my less-fleshy upper lip rolls under my more-fleshy lower lip so that it is the more-fleshy lower lip which does the more protruding into the cup).
The other poster was slandering Vincent Bach and mocking him without offering even one quote from Bach or offering anything to rebut Bach.
Why didn't you tell him to "lighten up"?
Since when is it OK to slander and mock someone but it is wrong to defend the person being slandered and mocked?
And I myself already said that there are many other variables besides lip thickness and cup depth which also affect a person's range.
And you said that a shallower mouthpiece does not give one iota better endurance in the upper register, which contradicts what most professional trumpeters have been publicly saying for many years.
"The mouthpiece can only AID the embouchure."
I already said that per physics a mouthpiece depth can either complement or adversely affect a player's chosen range.
No mouthpiece will give a player a Double C.
Bit some cup depths will make the Double C easier while other cup depths will make the Double C more difficult.
"Why you feel the need to cite Bach or Schilke - what point does it prove? Absolutely none."
I quoted 2 authorities who regarding that specific subject agreed with all major authorities on the subject: shallower mouthpieces make upper range easier.
You and the other poster have not offered even one quote from any authorities at all, you have merely expressed your own unsubstantiated personal opinions which contradict the statememts of such known authorities.
So I would re-phrase your statement:
"Why you feel the need to cite your unsubstantiated personal opinion- what point does it prove? Absolutely none."
- morris