Acidic hands, saliva

James Smock · 03-23-2005, 04:04 PM

I've alway's had acidic hands. I think I may be outgrowing it. I'm interested to hear from other people with simmilar things going on.

Please, chime in.

djm6701 · 03-23-2005, 06:12 PM

Timely topic. I just had a conversation with my repairman, Ron Partch. Apparently I'm more acidic (or salty anyway) than I thought because I have corroded the valves on my Yamaha flugelhorn. Ron suggested a heavier valve oil to protect the valves better. The cup of my mouthpiece is brownish and it's not dirt, either.

talcito · 03-23-2005, 06:57 PM

I have the same problem.

If you use gold plating on your trumpet and mouthpiece your instrument should be fine. My understanding is that the acid cannot go thru gold. I have played my gold plated horn for two years now and no problems.

Also, someone recently told me that its not the acid that kills the plating ,its the moisture. They claim that if you wipe your horn after you play, the moisture won't have a chance to do damage.

By the way, gold feels real comfortable on the chops.

djm6701 · 03-23-2005, 10:33 PM

Just to clarify and invite any further comment, when I said I had corroded the valves on my Yammy, I meant the actual monel valves are corroding, not the casing.

Tootsall · 03-23-2005, 11:25 PM

Dave, YUCK! That's terrible. Monel is used inside jet engines where its resistance to heat and corrosion combined with it's light weight and strength make it the "material of choice" in some areas. And you can "chew through it"?

Maybe try a Getzen?

stewmuse · 03-24-2005, 12:03 AM

My hands do a lot of damage to my horn. i actually wore three pin-sized holes through the lower 3rd valve slide where it connects to the valve, and I had to replace it!

My mouthpieces also go through blue, purple, red, and black phases or combinations thereof.

djm6701 · 03-24-2005, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tootsall

Dave, YUCK! That's terrible. Monel is used inside jet engines where its resistance to heat and corrosion combined with it's light weight and strength make it the "material of choice" in some areas. And you can "chew through it"?

Maybe try a Getzen?

Yup. I seem to have more problems with Yamaha valves in particular, maybe because of the tight tolerances. I have a 20 year-old Strad with Monel valves and they haven't corroded but I have had this problem with other Yamahas as well. When I get the flugel back I'll post a pic of the valve surface if it photographs well enough to show the corrosion.

talcito · 03-24-2005, 01:22 PM

Is nickel plating as good protecting against acid as gold is?

View Poll Results: Which fits best?
A. I have no acidic qualities to my body, just my personality	4	26.67%
B. I have acidic hand, and have never outgrown them	4	26.67%
C. My hands were formerly acidic	0	0%
D. I turn the inside of my mouthpiece funny colors	2	13.33%
E. Both B and D	5	33.33%
Voters: 15. You may not vote on this poll

03-23-2005, 04:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
James Smock New Friend Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 21	Acidic hands, saliva I've alway's had acidic hands. I think I may be outgrowing it. I'm interested to hear from other people with simmilar things going on. Please, chime in.

03-23-2005, 06:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
djm6701 Pianissimo User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Richmond Hill (Toronto), Ontario Posts: 176	Timely topic. I just had a conversation with my repairman, Ron Partch. Apparently I'm more acidic (or salty anyway) than I thought because I have corroded the valves on my Yamaha flugelhorn. Ron suggested a heavier valve oil to protect the valves better. The cup of my mouthpiece is brownish and it's not dirt, either. __________________ Dave M. Richmond Hill (Toronto), Ontario, CANADA Kanstul WB1600 1952 L.A. Olds Recording, 1975 L.A. Benge 3x, Yamaha 631 Flugel, Olds Flugel GR 65.6 Mouthpieces

03-23-2005, 10:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
djm6701 Pianissimo User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Richmond Hill (Toronto), Ontario Posts: 176	Just to clarify and invite any further comment, when I said I had corroded the valves on my Yammy, I meant the actual monel valves are corroding, not the casing. __________________ Dave M. Richmond Hill (Toronto), Ontario, CANADA Kanstul WB1600 1952 L.A. Olds Recording, 1975 L.A. Benge 3x, Yamaha 631 Flugel, Olds Flugel GR 65.6 Mouthpieces

03-24-2005, 12:03 AM	#6 (permalink)
stewmuse Pianissimo User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NW Chicago Posts: 190	My hands do a lot of damage to my horn. i actually wore three pin-sized holes through the lower 3rd valve slide where it connects to the valve, and I had to replace it! My mouthpieces also go through blue, purple, red, and black phases or combinations thereof. __________________ Dr. Michael Stewart Lead Trumpet, Chicago Grandstand Big Band www.stewmuse.com

03-23-2005, 06:57 PM	#3 (permalink)
talcito Piano User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 300	I have the same problem. If you use gold plating on your trumpet and mouthpiece your instrument should be fine. My understanding is that the acid cannot go thru gold. I have played my gold plated horn for two years now and no problems. Also, someone recently told me that its not the acid that kills the plating ,its the moisture. They claim that if you wipe your horn after you play, the moisture won't have a chance to do damage. By the way, gold feels real comfortable on the chops.

03-23-2005, 11:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tootsall Fortissimo User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Yee HAW! Posts: 4,641	Dave, YUCK! That's terrible. Monel is used inside jet engines where its resistance to heat and corrosion combined with it's light weight and strength make it the "material of choice" in some areas. And you can "chew through it"? Maybe try a Getzen?

03-24-2005, 01:22 PM	#8 (permalink)
talcito Piano User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 300	Is nickel plating as good protecting against acid as gold is?

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