alternate fingering

brassmouth · 07-14-2005, 11:06 PM

For a portion of my marching band music it will be alot easier to use the third valve instead of 1-2 due to the visual demands (horn moves). Is there any disadvantage to doing this? I've always used the "normal" fingerings and i always thought the others were out of tune. Thanks in advance for any advice.

Brian

Manny Laureano · 07-14-2005, 11:30 PM

Yes, most of the 1/2 combinations are quite sharp. It drives me nuts when people play middle A, first line E, high A, middle C# on the C trumpet.

Third valve is your next line of defense when it's inconvenient to use your slide/trigger. The slide gives you more fine tuning capability, that's why it's preferable but 3rd is great.

ML

trumpet blower88 · 07-14-2005, 11:52 PM

Something I heard was that alternate fingerings don't only effect pitch, but tone too. Personaly I don't see why it would make the tone any differant. Is there any truth to that?

Manny Laureano · 07-15-2005, 12:05 AM

Play an E open.

Now play it with the following fingerings;

12, 3, 123.

Also try 1/3 with the third slide out.

Listen for the difference in tone colors. It has to do with the various overtone series' produced by adding more valves and where the notes lie in harmonic series.

ML

Clarence · 07-18-2005, 04:46 PM

false fingering is really cool if your going to use it in solo,however it doesnt work well if your playing as a horn-section.

Clarence · 07-18-2005, 04:48 PM

shout out to ML!

Manny Laureano · 07-18-2005, 05:05 PM

The shout was received, acknowledged, and appreciated!

So, it was 99 flipping degrees here yesterday, Clarence. How's by you the temps in the great southwest coast?

ML

Clarence · 07-18-2005, 05:25 PM

some-body ordered up some african heat!
And threw-in some warm breezes!
everybody,s getting sticky ichky.thank god the beach is on and poping

wiseone2 · 07-18-2005, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clarence

false fingering is really cool if your going to use it in solo,however it doesnt work well if your playing as a horn-section.

Let's start a list of false finger gems.
Here are a few........
Clifford Brown-Parisian Thoroughfare's intro.
Lee Morgan-lots of times.....help me guys

Wilmer

Clarence · 07-18-2005, 06:32 PM

freddie hubbard/tom browne

07-14-2005, 11:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
brassmouth New Friend Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 25	alternate fingering For a portion of my marching band music it will be alot easier to use the third valve instead of 1-2 due to the visual demands (horn moves). Is there any disadvantage to doing this? I've always used the "normal" fingerings and i always thought the others were out of tune. Thanks in advance for any advice. Brian

07-14-2005, 11:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
trumpet blower88 Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Flagstaff, AZ Brand: Kanstul Posts: 644	Something I heard was that alternate fingerings don't only effect pitch, but tone too. Personaly I don't see why it would make the tone any differant. Is there any truth to that?
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Clarence Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: san diego Posts: 734	false fingering is really cool if your going to use it in solo,however it doesnt work well if your playing as a horn-section.
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07-18-2005, 04:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
Clarence Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: san diego Posts: 734	shout out to ML!
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07-18-2005, 05:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
Clarence Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: san diego Posts: 734	some-body ordered up some african heat! And threw-in some warm breezes! everybody,s getting sticky ichky.thank god the beach is on and poping
	__________________ You heard it here 1st, in what ever u do if u buy the ticket u take the ride! Stage 1XH Bb Phaeton 2030 Bb Jupiter flugle 846bl black Kersting Pocket trumpet Stage1 MP schilke 11 MP Sdsytems LCM77 wireless Shure PGX wireless

07-14-2005, 11:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
Manny Laureano Utimate User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 5,989	Yes, most of the 1/2 combinations are quite sharp. It drives me nuts when people play middle A, first line E, high A, middle C# on the C trumpet. Third valve is your next line of defense when it's inconvenient to use your slide/trigger. The slide gives you more fine tuning capability, that's why it's preferable but 3rd is great. ML

07-15-2005, 12:05 AM	#4 (permalink)
Manny Laureano Utimate User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 5,989	Play an E open. Now play it with the following fingerings; 12, 3, 123. Also try 1/3 with the third slide out. Listen for the difference in tone colors. It has to do with the various overtone series' produced by adding more valves and where the notes lie in harmonic series. ML

07-18-2005, 05:05 PM	#7 (permalink)
Manny Laureano Utimate User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 5,989	The shout was received, acknowledged, and appreciated! So, it was 99 flipping degrees here yesterday, Clarence. How's by you the temps in the great southwest coast? ML

07-18-2005, 06:32 PM	#10 (permalink)
Clarence Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: san diego Posts: 734	freddie hubbard/tom browne
	__________________ You heard it here 1st, in what ever u do if u buy the ticket u take the ride! Stage 1XH Bb Phaeton 2030 Bb Jupiter flugle 846bl black Kersting Pocket trumpet Stage1 MP schilke 11 MP Sdsytems LCM77 wireless Shure PGX wireless

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