Arban

eisprl · 12-19-2005, 03:46 PM

Hey everyone

I just kinda had a thought when it comes to the Arban book and how he describes the double and or triple tounging.

He was french, correct? So when he writes Tu Ku when describing tounging would he actually mean the pronounciation "Tsu Ku"?

If this is the case, this also could help with explaining the way the air and tounge relate.

Just a thought, feel free to disagree
Eric S.

butxifxnot · 12-20-2005, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by eisprl

Hey everyone

I just kinda had a thought when it comes to the Arban book and how he describes the double and or triple tounging.

He was french, correct? So when he writes Tu Ku when describing tounging would he actually mean the pronounciation "Tsu Ku"?

If this is the case, this also could help with explaining the way the air and tounge relate.

Just a thought, feel free to disagree
Eric S.

I've read in a foot note that "tu ku" French-like is not "tu ku" but rather "tew kew" which is closer to "tee kee" (ie like a flautist would tongue).

oj · 12-20-2005, 04:45 AM

The letters u and û are pronounced [y]- roughly similar to the vowel sound of pew but shorter and without the diphthong.

Sound samples here. Not TU, but NU, SU and BU (but the U has the same sound as it would in TU and KU)

http://www.languageguide.org/francai...n/vowels2.html

Ole

Manny Laureano · 12-20-2005, 08:29 AM

Since it is clear that the approaches vary the sound, the decision needs to be made by the player: does your job demand the sound produced by "tooh" or the Arban "tu"? It's a question of which sound you want to use. Or do you need both for a variety of literature? That's what the player has to consider.

Then, do you control the tongue or do you ask for the sound to deal with the physical process?

Just some things to consider.

ML

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eisprl Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Halifax, NS CANADA Posts: 505	Arban Hey everyone I just kinda had a thought when it comes to the Arban book and how he describes the double and or triple tounging. He was french, correct? So when he writes Tu Ku when describing tounging would he actually mean the pronounciation "Tsu Ku"? If this is the case, this also could help with explaining the way the air and tounge relate. Just a thought, feel free to disagree Eric S.
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12-20-2005, 04:45 AM	#3 (permalink)
oj Pianissimo User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 84	The letters u and û are pronounced [y]- roughly similar to the vowel sound of pew but shorter and without the diphthong. Sound samples here. Not TU, but NU, SU and BU (but the U has the same sound as it would in TU and KU) http://www.languageguide.org/francai...n/vowels2.html Ole

12-20-2005, 08:29 AM	#4 (permalink)
Manny Laureano Utimate User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 5,989	Since it is clear that the approaches vary the sound, the decision needs to be made by the player: does your job demand the sound produced by "tooh" or the Arban "tu"? It's a question of which sound you want to use. Or do you need both for a variety of literature? That's what the player has to consider. Then, do you control the tongue or do you ask for the sound to deal with the physical process? Just some things to consider. ML

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