Bach Strad 43 Bad or good year? - Page 2

RobertSlotte · 12-12-2008, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bagmangood

Partly its not the exact same material, because metals aren't always the same.
The temperature at which the tuning slide is made is different, the braces might be slightly different, the bell bow may be slightly different.
Its all about quality control and techs knowing how to adjust for the differences

ahh...if that is the case it sounds to me that that kind of "factory" should not have a quality certificate. ( I work on a factroy my self...not trumpet making thoug)

bagmangood · 12-12-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RobertSlotte

ahh...if that is the case it sounds to me that that kind of "factory" should not have a quality certificate. ( I work on a factroy my self...not trumpet making thoug)

When you are kicking out as many horns as they do, and its as delicate an art (with science thrown in), it is difficult to say the least to produce as evenly. Plus, just using the same lathe for long periods of time changes everything as they get worn down (this is just my understanding, from all of my academic internet readings

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RobertSlotte · 12-12-2008, 05:02 PM

quality = consistent . Then it is up to the company to make what they want of theyr horns.

rowuk · 12-12-2008, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RobertSlotte

This is a question for my personal lack of knowledge:

Why is it that within the same brand (for example Bach`s) and same model almost every horn is different...I mean it is the exakt same material used and fore sure the same measurements in millimeters used. Still the horns come out different (inconsistent) .
Why is that?

easy answer: Bachs quality control does not catch the marginal horns. If they were sending back 20 to 30% for corrections, they would pay better attention. If they don't care, the dogs get sent to customers!

I believe the problem is the placement of the braces and the tension in the materials. There is a shop in Switzerland run by René Spada. He rebuilds Bach trumpets with Swiss watchmaker precision. ALL of those horns are real keepers. It isn't the parts, it is the artisan paying attention. I am convinced that he could take the worst Bach dog and make it artist quality just by putting it together the right way.

rowuk · 12-12-2008, 05:24 PM

Any company that wants to learn something about mass production just needs to check out Yamaha. I have NEVER had a bad or even marginal Yamaha horn in my hands. They had trouble with a valve alloy many years ago, but fixed that in short order. The horns are impeccably put together, are in tune and can be bought blind. They just CARE.

Bach could do it too, I guess they haven't figured that out yet.

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