Brighter tone - Page 2

Markie · 01-11-2009, 11:52 AM

Hi George,
Markie here, Rowuk explains it pretty well. Don't let anybody sell you a book on longtones. You'll be bummed if you buy one. It'll be connected whole notes with cresendos and decresendos.

Snorglorf · 01-11-2009, 01:28 PM

For long tones I usually start at a C below the staff, take a huge breath and hold each note for as long as I can, as quiet as I can play it. I then descend chromatically down to F#. Once I get there I go up to G in the staff and go down chromatically. I keep doing this working up the overtones (C, E, G, etc) within my range.

tunefultrumpet · 01-11-2009, 02:22 PM

A slightly different way of practicing long tones is to use backing track. This guy sells a CD to play them to.

CD Baby: WALTER WHITE: Walter White Long-tone Accompaniment

I also made a backing track with jazz chord changes on (II-V-I) and my long tones are voice leading exercises over each chord change. Great ear training if you are interested in improvisation. You could do that over any backing track for which you have the lead sheet.

Bob Grier · 01-11-2009, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tunefultrumpet

A slightly different way of practicing long tones is to use backing track. This guy sells a CD to play them to.

CD Baby: WALTER WHITE: Walter White Long-tone Accompaniment

I also made a backing track with jazz chord changes on (II-V-I) and my long tones are voice leading exercises over each chord change. Great ear training if you are interested in improvisation. You could do that over any backing track for which you have the lead sheet.

I use Walter White's CD all the time. Also I've found it to be a great way to work on tuning.

Bob Grier · 01-11-2009, 02:38 PM

I think it is important to have a routine or exercise of long tones to do. This will help give your long tone practice structure. There are tons of these exercises out there. You can make up you own.

oohhh yeah · 01-12-2009, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George.S

Hello TMers

I play in many different ensembles from symphony orchestra to big band. I have always had quite a mellow tone on my trumpet but lately have been trying to achieve a brighter tone for certain pieces and ensembles. I know the obvious solution for some people would be to change mouthpiece, however I really don't like swapping them around as I really like the MP I play on now (bach 1 1/2c).
Can any of you more knowledgeable players out there give me any advice on getting a brighter sound without changing the mouthpiece.

Thankyou in advance
GS

Well, a dark sound is much more preferable than a bright sound. I hate Eric Miyashiro cuz his tone is so frickin bright. So I say stick with your dark tone.

study888 · 01-13-2009, 01:18 AM

Hello George S. For a bright playing trumpet,the H.N. White King Liberty #2 model Trumpet are bright playing. Finding one in great playing shape and original condition will be a little hard as of lately. A lot of the best ones may be already bought up. The nicer Reynolds Argenta Trumpets and Argenta Cornets do not come up on E-Bay as of late. Being made of solid nickel silver,they can play dark in mid and low range,but real bright in the higher range, More for a solo type horn etc. But these King #2 Liberty's are bright through the whole scale with good sound output. I have a deep cup #5 Stork Flugel m.p. with cornet shank,can use my Bach Cornet/Trumpet adapter on these #2 model horns and they get nice and mellow. I plan to try a #7 med. cup Stork Flugel m.p. in cornet shank or maybe in a proper Trumpet shank. Should be overall the best choice when I play with a Sax or Clarinet etc. on harmony and they on lead. As these old horns are bright and can over power another single instrument or trio etc. What has been mentioned above on long tones etc,is great advise also. Hey you might want to sell everything and buy a Callet Sima. Very good reviews so far. Seems these Horns are on the bright side etc. Good luck

rowuk · 01-13-2009, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oohhh yeah

Well, a dark sound is much more preferable than a bright sound. I hate Eric Miyashiro cuz his tone is so frickin bright. So I say stick with your dark tone.

This is not a very intelligent premise. A lead player in a big band needs the razors edge. Even in classical music there are so many opportunities for flame throwers (Saturn in Holsts Planets, Symphonic dances from West Side Story, the D- trumpet part in Bolero............).

oohhh yeah, you need to learn some things before posting nonsense. Hating a successful player shows a lack of respect for the art and the freedom of choice. Hate is a pretty stupid emotion that leads to illogical reactions. I would work on that if I were you!

oldlou · 01-13-2009, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowuk

This is not a very intelligent premise. A lead player in a big band needs the razors edge. Even in classical music there are so many opportunities for flame throwers (Saturn in Holsts Planets, Symphonic dances from West Side Story, the D- trumpet part in Bolero............).

oohhh yeah, you need to learn some things before posting nonsense. Hating a successful player shows a lack of respect for the art and the freedom of choice. Hate is a pretty stupid emotion that leads to illogical reactions. I would work on that if I were you!

In addition to Robins posting, I am of the opinion that brightness is what a trumpet should do. If you want a darker, sweeter tone use a cornet. If that is still too bright for you, try a flugel. That is why there are the various types of cup mouthpiece perinet valved, or rotary valved soprano brass instruments. I could go on about all of the many other types of trumpets, but, I hope that I have made my point.

OLDLOU>>

Markie · 01-13-2009, 01:43 PM

Hi Oldlou, Markie here, The sound of the trumpet can also be darkened by using a RingMute.

01-11-2009, 11:52 AM	#11
Markie Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Clarksburg, WV Posts: 734	Re: Brighter tone Hi George, Markie here, Rowuk explains it pretty well. Don't let anybody sell you a book on longtones. You'll be bummed if you buy one. It'll be connected whole notes with cresendos and decresendos.

01-11-2009, 01:28 PM	#12
Snorglorf Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 207	Re: Brighter tone For long tones I usually start at a C below the staff, take a huge breath and hold each note for as long as I can, as quiet as I can play it. I then descend chromatically down to F#. Once I get there I go up to G in the staff and go down chromatically. I keep doing this working up the overtones (C, E, G, etc) within my range.

01-11-2009, 02:22 PM	#13
tunefultrumpet Pianissimo User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 211	Re: Brighter tone A slightly different way of practicing long tones is to use backing track. This guy sells a CD to play them to. CD Baby: WALTER WHITE: Walter White Long-tone Accompaniment I also made a backing track with jazz chord changes on (II-V-I) and my long tones are voice leading exercises over each chord change. Great ear training if you are interested in improvisation. You could do that over any backing track for which you have the lead sheet.

01-11-2009, 02:38 PM	#15
Bob Grier Mezzo Forte User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 743	Re: Brighter tone I think it is important to have a routine or exercise of long tones to do. This will help give your long tone practice structure. There are tons of these exercises out there. You can make up you own. __________________ Bob Grier, An Old Pro Web Cam trumpet & jazz improvisation lessons bgrierjr@triad.rr.com Schilke B5 GB bell NY Bach ML 37GB Bb 1949 Benge 7X 1985 Conn 22B 1940s King Liberty Silversonic 1975 King Master Model Siversonic cornet 1975 1985 Bach C L 229GB 25A 1985 Bach D ML 239 1985 Bach Eb ML 239 1967 Martin C ML rose brass bell 1985 Selmer Paris Picc with Osmun A pipe & Blackburn Bb pipe 1975 Getzen Eterna Flugelhorn 1985 Yamaha YFH 635T Flugelhorn Last edited by Bob Grier; 01-11-2009 at 02:42 PM.

01-13-2009, 01:18 AM	#17
study888 Pianissimo User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Darlington S.C. Posts: 153	Re: Brighter tone Hello George S. For a bright playing trumpet,the H.N. White King Liberty #2 model Trumpet are bright playing. Finding one in great playing shape and original condition will be a little hard as of lately. A lot of the best ones may be already bought up. The nicer Reynolds Argenta Trumpets and Argenta Cornets do not come up on E-Bay as of late. Being made of solid nickel silver,they can play dark in mid and low range,but real bright in the higher range, More for a solo type horn etc. But these King #2 Liberty's are bright through the whole scale with good sound output. I have a deep cup #5 Stork Flugel m.p. with cornet shank,can use my Bach Cornet/Trumpet adapter on these #2 model horns and they get nice and mellow. I plan to try a #7 med. cup Stork Flugel m.p. in cornet shank or maybe in a proper Trumpet shank. Should be overall the best choice when I play with a Sax or Clarinet etc. on harmony and they on lead. As these old horns are bright and can over power another single instrument or trio etc. What has been mentioned above on long tones etc,is great advise also. Hey you might want to sell everything and buy a Callet Sima. Very good reviews so far. Seems these Horns are on the bright side etc. Good luck

01-13-2009, 01:43 PM	#20
Markie Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Clarksburg, WV Posts: 734	Re: Brighter tone Hi Oldlou, Markie here, The sound of the trumpet can also be darkened by using a RingMute.

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