Buying a horn soon?????

psurace · 04-28-2006, 03:12 AM

Hey what's going on everyone. I am looking into buying myself a Strad. I was wondering what you reccomend. I can spend about 1600 and am looking for a rich round dark tone, was thinking a 37 or 43 ML with reversed leadpipe. I am a Cadet age out and the last horn i owned (and still do) is a bugle.......yes we played BUGLES in drum and BUGLE corps!!!! Naturally i need a rich dark tone i don't care for a bright baroque sound.

I know my dad had a Stradivarius from 1952.........am i still right going for one, and does what i have an idea of fit in with what i want? I haven't bought a horn in forever. Please let me know, also...........how much should a new bach cost?

Thanks all

-P Very Happy

Tootsall · 04-28-2006, 09:44 AM

If you want to buy a strad...... (wait for it.....)

I recommend you buy a strad.

trickg · 04-28-2006, 09:48 AM

$1600 should just about get you into a new Strad if you look around.

I'm with Toots - if you want a Strad, get one. There are certainly worse horns you could buy.

psurace · 04-28-2006, 11:14 AM

Thanks for the helpful tips. I figured i was gonna get a strad.................how about the specs questions. Is what i am looking for what i plan to buy? Rich dark tone etc.........?

-P

trickg · 04-28-2006, 11:19 AM

A lot of it is going to depend on the mouthpiece you use and how you play it.

In general the ML 37 is considered a good all around horn - it can be bright, but it can also be dark.

The 43 is usually considered a big, full sounding horn suitable for lead work.

I suggest that you hole up in a music store or two and do some playing to see for yourself and make your decision that way because surely you don't want to spend $1500+ on a horn you have never played based on someone else's recommendation.

psurace · 04-28-2006, 11:27 AM

Sure, go in and play is exactly the way i buy my guitars. I have also been playing on a Vincent Bach 3c and a 1 1/2 c. We found out at cadets those mouthpieces handle my huge influx of air. Like i said i haven't bought a horn since i bought a bugle, and they're mail ordered................will my store in anaheim (anaheim band) have a range of strads to play, or are there 5 models and the rest is custom?

-P

trickg · 04-28-2006, 11:40 AM

To my knowledge (which might contain large gaps, so keep that in mind) there are a few basic options that are regularly put into Strads coming off of the line:

Bores: ML and L are the most common but M is not unheard of
Bells: 37, 43, 25 (Found usually on the L bore models) 72, 65
Tuning slide: Standard and reversed
Finishes: Silver plated and lacquered

Actually, rather than letting me blather on about a subject that I admittedly only know a bit about, you would probably be better served by digesting some of the info on this site, dedicated specifically to Bach Strad trumpets:

http://www.thebachloyalist.freeserve...ewtrumpet.html

Good luck!

Vulgano Brother · 04-28-2006, 12:29 PM

I almost proposed to a girl because of her Bach ML 37 with 25 leadpipe. Bach is inconsistent as all get out, so try before you buy. Check out Yamaha's Bach clones in case that turns out to be your dream horn. Try Getzen and Conn and all the others for the same reason. Keep in mind that low notes are important too. Don't call anyone, especially Manny, "chump."

KMT · 04-28-2006, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psurace

Sure, go in and play is exactly the way i buy my guitars. I have also been playing on a Vincent Bach 3c and a 1 1/2 c. We found out at cadets those mouthpieces handle my huge influx of air. Like i said i haven't bought a horn since i bought a bugle, and they're mail ordered................will my store in anaheim (anaheim band) have a range of strads to play, or are there 5 models and the rest is custom?

-P

Anaheim Band will have a few Bachs, but for a better selection you should go up to Fergusson Music in La Crescenta.

www.hornguys.com

Dave Mickley · 05-09-2006, 07:51 AM

Just to throw something else in the mix - take a tuner and a friend
along to listen to what is happening in front of the horn. A lot of times
we carried away by a new shiney horn and the essentials go out the window. Some of the best playing horns that I have tried were lacquer and not silver.
Good luck and have fun. Dave

04-28-2006, 03:12 AM	#1 (permalink)
psurace New Friend Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 4	Buying a horn soon????? Hey what's going on everyone. I am looking into buying myself a Strad. I was wondering what you reccomend. I can spend about 1600 and am looking for a rich round dark tone, was thinking a 37 or 43 ML with reversed leadpipe. I am a Cadet age out and the last horn i owned (and still do) is a bugle.......yes we played BUGLES in drum and BUGLE corps!!!! Naturally i need a rich dark tone i don't care for a bright baroque sound. I know my dad had a Stradivarius from 1952.........am i still right going for one, and does what i have an idea of fit in with what i want? I haven't bought a horn in forever. Please let me know, also...........how much should a new bach cost? Thanks all -P Very Happy

04-28-2006, 09:48 AM	#3 (permalink)
trickg Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Glen Burnie, Maryland Posts: 2,054	$1600 should just about get you into a new Strad if you look around. I'm with Toots - if you want a Strad, get one. There are certainly worse horns you could buy. __________________ Patrick Gleason email me at: trickg1@hotmail.com "What we do in life echoes in eternity" "At my signal, unleash hell." - Maximus Decimus Meridius

04-28-2006, 11:19 AM	#5 (permalink)
trickg Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Glen Burnie, Maryland Posts: 2,054	A lot of it is going to depend on the mouthpiece you use and how you play it. In general the ML 37 is considered a good all around horn - it can be bright, but it can also be dark. The 43 is usually considered a big, full sounding horn suitable for lead work. I suggest that you hole up in a music store or two and do some playing to see for yourself and make your decision that way because surely you don't want to spend $1500+ on a horn you have never played based on someone else's recommendation. __________________ Patrick Gleason email me at: trickg1@hotmail.com "What we do in life echoes in eternity" "At my signal, unleash hell." - Maximus Decimus Meridius

04-28-2006, 11:40 AM	#7 (permalink)
trickg Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Glen Burnie, Maryland Posts: 2,054	To my knowledge (which might contain large gaps, so keep that in mind) there are a few basic options that are regularly put into Strads coming off of the line: Bores: ML and L are the most common but M is not unheard of Bells: 37, 43, 25 (Found usually on the L bore models) 72, 65 Tuning slide: Standard and reversed Finishes: Silver plated and lacquered Actually, rather than letting me blather on about a subject that I admittedly only know a bit about, you would probably be better served by digesting some of the info on this site, dedicated specifically to Bach Strad trumpets: http://www.thebachloyalist.freeserve...ewtrumpet.html Good luck! __________________ Patrick Gleason email me at: trickg1@hotmail.com "What we do in life echoes in eternity" "At my signal, unleash hell." - Maximus Decimus Meridius

04-28-2006, 12:29 PM	#8 (permalink)
Vulgano Brother Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Home Posts: 3,265	I almost proposed to a girl because of her Bach ML 37 with 25 leadpipe. Bach is inconsistent as all get out, so try before you buy. Check out Yamaha's Bach clones in case that turns out to be your dream horn. Try Getzen and Conn and all the others for the same reason. Keep in mind that low notes are important too. Don't call anyone, especially Manny, "chump." __________________ "A tool good enough to be so used and not too good" C.S. Lewis That Hideous Strength www.letsbuildhope.org

04-28-2006, 09:44 AM	#2 (permalink)
Tootsall Fortissimo User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Yee HAW! Posts: 4,641	If you want to buy a strad...... (wait for it.....) I recommend you buy a strad.

04-28-2006, 11:14 AM	#4 (permalink)
psurace New Friend Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 4	Thanks for the helpful tips. I figured i was gonna get a strad.................how about the specs questions. Is what i am looking for what i plan to buy? Rich dark tone etc.........? -P

04-28-2006, 11:27 AM	#6 (permalink)
psurace New Friend Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 4	Sure, go in and play is exactly the way i buy my guitars. I have also been playing on a Vincent Bach 3c and a 1 1/2 c. We found out at cadets those mouthpieces handle my huge influx of air. Like i said i haven't bought a horn since i bought a bugle, and they're mail ordered................will my store in anaheim (anaheim band) have a range of strads to play, or are there 5 models and the rest is custom? -P

05-09-2006, 07:51 AM	#10 (permalink)
Dave Mickley Piano User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 384	Just to throw something else in the mix - take a tuner and a friend along to listen to what is happening in front of the horn. A lot of times we carried away by a new shiney horn and the essentials go out the window. Some of the best playing horns that I have tried were lacquer and not silver. Good luck and have fun. Dave __________________ formerly known as old geezer Dave C7 Yam. 231 Fl. 15383 King Master Cornet 295628 Weril Cornet Lo 7535

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