Custom built horns

Wlfgng · 09-28-2008, 05:36 PM

If you could use any component from any maufacture and assuming they would all fit eg Schilke valve body, King Silvertone bell, trombone style water keys, Bach lead pipe etc.

What would you build?

Pete · 09-28-2008, 07:19 PM

Okay, I'll play along. I'd go with your Schilke valve block (from an S42, .450). The bell of an 8310Z, a Bach 43 leadpipe with a Bach (.462) tuning slide. Amado water keys, first slide thumb ring from a Conn Vintage One, Bach 3rd slide stop rod and nuts, in lacquer or raw brass.Harrelson bottom valve caps. How's that? If you manufacture this, I'm in on part of the deal!

Pete

tedh1951 · 09-28-2008, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wlfgng

If you could use any component from any maufacture and assuming they would all fit eg Schilke valve body, King Silvertone bell, trombone style water keys, Bach lead pipe etc.
What would you build?

Hmmm .... the hard ones first eh?

I think I'd build a Chinese Pocket Trumpet, probably in yellow lacquer.

Brass crusader · 09-28-2008, 09:03 PM

I'd build a clone of my '47 Olds Special.
Or I'd take a Bach 239 C trumpet, reverse leadpipe, (25R) and remove the bracing in between the leadpipe and bell. I'd then have lightweight valve stems and caps installed. That would be an interesting horn.

rowuk · 09-29-2008, 01:07 AM

There have been some experiments with Schilke valves and other bells and leadpipes by Spada in Switzerland. At the end of the day, the Schilke parts worked better!

I know that many manufacturers today use subassemblies bought elsewhere with good results. In Germany, we have Bauerfeind, Meinelschmidt and Zirnbaur valves, at least one bell manufacturer (Sandner) and a lot of assemblers. The logic is that those specialty companies can invest in the tooling to do each job "better". I am not sure if that offers the synergy to make a Frankenhorn as good as it possibly can be. Perhaps "good enough" though.........

My "dream" horn has Selmer radial 2 degrees valves, a removable, tunable Monette Prana3 bell, a custom leadpipe to make it work and a brushed gold finish.

oldlou · 09-29-2008, 12:15 PM

I have built, on an amateur basis, a few 'frankenhorns'. Some of these turned out to be exceptional and some, not so great.

If I could have exactly what I want, I know who has a model to work from. Roy Lawler has a York Airflow trumpet that I would have him clone with whatever superlative valve engine he feels is the best on the market. I just wish that I was younger, in better physical condition and wealthy enough to buy 'any' new horn of quality.

OLDLOU>>

tedh1951 · 09-30-2008, 03:00 AM

Old Lou,

Does Lawler use Getzen valves?

oldlou · 09-30-2008, 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedh1951

Old Lou,

Does Lawler use Getzen valves?

I know that he used to. If he still does, I am not aware of it. The best source for this info is, of course, Roy Lawler.

OLDLOU>>

tedh1951 · 09-30-2008, 03:36 AM

Yes, I swapped across on to the Lawler website last night thinking, 'I'm sure Roy Lawler's site mentioned Getzen Valves' but I couldn't find any current mention - guess I'll take your advice and bang off an email. Ta.

tedh1951 · 08-16-2009, 06:25 AM

It's taken me a while but here is the link http://www.lawlertrumpets.com/bellsl...esoptions.html
dealing with Getzen valves in some Lawler trumpets since 2003.

09-28-2008, 05:36 PM	#1
Wlfgng Piano User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 334	Custom built horns If you could use any component from any maufacture and assuming they would all fit eg Schilke valve body, King Silvertone bell, trombone style water keys, Bach lead pipe etc. What would you build? __________________ Olds Ambassador(only one left, need more) King Silver Flair - main horn Selmer Cornet Amatuers practice till they get it right, Professionals practice till they can't get it wrong.

09-28-2008, 07:19 PM	#2
Pete Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 207	Re: Custom built horns Okay, I'll play along. I'd go with your Schilke valve block (from an S42, .450). The bell of an 8310Z, a Bach 43 leadpipe with a Bach (.462) tuning slide. Amado water keys, first slide thumb ring from a Conn Vintage One, Bach 3rd slide stop rod and nuts, in lacquer or raw brass.Harrelson bottom valve caps. How's that? If you manufacture this, I'm in on part of the deal! Pete __________________ Pete Grimaldi 8310Z Trumpet Bach 43 LT-180/43 leadpipe 6310Z Flugelhorn Marcinkiewicz Shew 1.75 mouthpiece (Kanstul copy) with Warburton Qm backbore and Reeves 5.5 sleeve Marcinkiewicz Shew 2 Monette LT B9 Warburton 6SV/5*bb Giardinelli 12F Stork 10FLS Studiomaster

09-28-2008, 09:03 PM	#4
Brass crusader Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Near Buffalo Posts: 571	Re: Custom built horns I'd build a clone of my '47 Olds Special. Or I'd take a Bach 239 C trumpet, reverse leadpipe, (25R) and remove the bracing in between the leadpipe and bell. I'd then have lightweight valve stems and caps installed. That would be an interesting horn. __________________ '70 Bach Stradivarius 37 in lacquer Conn "Vintage One" C tpt, raw brass prototype Courtois 4-valve picc New York Bach Medium Bore Bb Yamaha Xeno Custom '60's Couesnon Flugel '47 Olds Super Recording tpt '47 Olds Special tpt '52 Olds Ambassador ct '67 Olds Special ct 70's Yamaha 631 Flugel w/ Rose brass bell '29 Martin Handcraft '35 Conn 22B NY Symphony Special tpt '83 Callet New York Super Large Bore tpt. '35 Conn 32H tbone Kanstul French Besson '56 Conn Coprion 18B

09-29-2008, 01:07 AM	#5
rowuk Moderator Utimate User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 8,823	Re: Custom built horns There have been some experiments with Schilke valves and other bells and leadpipes by Spada in Switzerland. At the end of the day, the Schilke parts worked better! I know that many manufacturers today use subassemblies bought elsewhere with good results. In Germany, we have Bauerfeind, Meinelschmidt and Zirnbaur valves, at least one bell manufacturer (Sandner) and a lot of assemblers. The logic is that those specialty companies can invest in the tooling to do each job "better". I am not sure if that offers the synergy to make a Frankenhorn as good as it possibly can be. Perhaps "good enough" though......... My "dream" horn has Selmer radial 2 degrees valves, a removable, tunable Monette Prana3 bell, a custom leadpipe to make it work and a brushed gold finish. __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

09-29-2008, 12:15 PM	#6
oldlou Forte User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi. Posts: 1,483	Re: Custom built horns I have built, on an amateur basis, a few 'frankenhorns'. Some of these turned out to be exceptional and some, not so great. If I could have exactly what I want, I know who has a model to work from. Roy Lawler has a York Airflow trumpet that I would have him clone with whatever superlative valve engine he feels is the best on the market. I just wish that I was younger, in better physical condition and wealthy enough to buy 'any' new horn of quality. OLDLOU>> __________________ Couturier trumpet York Wizard by Couturier cornet York Master Model trumpet York Elite trumpet York Airflow cornet Conn Concert Grand Cornet King Liberty trumpet Reynolds Professional cornet Bohm & Meinl professional trumpet Conn New World Symphony trumpet Olds Special cornet Los Angeles B&H Sovereign cornet G.R.Band Instr. cornet Getzen Super Deluxe trumpet and cornet Getzen Deluxe trumpet and cornet Many others no room to list

09-30-2008, 03:00 AM	#7
tedh1951 Fortissimo User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sydney, Great Land of Oz Posts: 3,138	Re: Custom built horns Old Lou, Does Lawler use Getzen valves? __________________ Ted

09-30-2008, 03:36 AM	#9
tedh1951 Fortissimo User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sydney, Great Land of Oz Posts: 3,138	Re: Custom built horns Yes, I swapped across on to the Lawler website last night thinking, 'I'm sure Roy Lawler's site mentioned Getzen Valves' but I couldn't find any current mention - guess I'll take your advice and bang off an email. Ta. __________________ Ted

08-16-2009, 06:25 AM	#10
tedh1951 Fortissimo User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sydney, Great Land of Oz Posts: 3,138	Re: Custom built horns It's taken me a while but here is the link http://www.lawlertrumpets.com/bellsl...esoptions.html dealing with Getzen valves in some Lawler trumpets since 2003. __________________ Ted

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