Does it ever feel easy?

MahlerBrass · 11-13-2005, 12:00 AM

Hello there! After my constant struggle to play with an equal tone throughout all the registers of the trumpet, there are signs of definite improvement in my playing and tone. I now feel that my high Cs and Ds sound as good as my mid Cs and Ds, but the problem is that they don't feel easy yet. So I was just curious, does it ever get to the point where you have no problem belting out high notes. I can play pretty high relaxed and effortless in a practice room at a comfortable volume, but if I have to play those high notes in the context of Copland's 3rd for example, it would still sound decent, but I'll be pushing myself pretty hard, so, with the use of that example, was the second movement (or the whole piece at that) of that particular symphony something you considered to be physicaly easy? It sure sounded like it, but I was just curious how you felt afterwards. Was it a walk in the park, or did you go home and ice yourself down? And if it was pretty easy for you, which I'm assuming it is, what are the methods used to get to that point? Thanks a lot!

A.N.A. Mendez · 11-13-2005, 12:34 AM

If it was easy evryone would be doing it...........

Manny Laureano · 11-13-2005, 10:18 AM

Well, there's a pretty long distance between a walk and the park and having to ice one's self down. Let's put it this way: I wasn't having any trouble with it but you have to concentrate and keep your inspiration level up very high during recordings.

What's nice is that in the Minnesota Orchestra we have about a half dozen Swedish masseuses that keep us limber between takes by contract. A vigorous lip and face massage is available to us during these sessions and it's very helpful.

I told you I love this job...

ML

A.N.A. Mendez · 11-13-2005, 12:07 PM

Describe vigorous for us.......'

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MalinTrumpet · 11-13-2005, 05:45 PM

Manny:

Is that blond who was in The Producers still one of the masseuses? ("Bialystock and Bloom")

Larry M.

Manny Laureano · 11-13-2005, 07:52 PM

Actually, I was thinking more like Jamie Le Curtis as "Inga, from Sveden. yah?"

Dan Akroyd is one lucky boy, that's all I can say.

ML

Umyoguy · 11-14-2005, 12:56 AM

I used to talk about this kind of thing all the time with Mr. Rommel, my teacher at IU. (the easy part, not massages! At least when we weren't playing golf, anyway).

He would always tell me to make things sound right, and that my body would eventually figure out the most efficient way to acheive the desired sound.

After a couple years, I find that he is right, and that when things are working, there are times when extremely "difficult" passages come out with little to no effort - That's not to say there isn't a great amount of concentration or intensity, but there are times when you just sit back and think "Man...That was too easy."

Now, I don't know whether once you get to Mr. Laureano's (or Mr. Rommel's) level that goes away and everything becomes easy, or changes in another way, but I can tell you from my experience that it's an intoxicating feeling, and it's what keeps me coming back for more.

Jon

joshuasullins · 11-14-2005, 07:15 AM

This seems like a cop-out of a response, but honestly, practice. Practice is the only answer. Will those high notes get easier. Yes. Absolutely. But you will have to put in the time and practice on upper register studies. Range is a cummulative thing. Eventually you will be talking about, "whether double G's will ever be easy"

Don't worry! Just practice!

and is that true about the masseuses?!

V/R
Joshua Sullins

gregc · 11-14-2005, 08:36 AM

Manny, you dog you....

greg

Manny Laureano · 11-14-2005, 09:19 AM

Voof, voof..

ML

11-13-2005, 12:00 AM	#1 (permalink)
MahlerBrass Piano User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 371	Does it ever feel easy? Hello there! After my constant struggle to play with an equal tone throughout all the registers of the trumpet, there are signs of definite improvement in my playing and tone. I now feel that my high Cs and Ds sound as good as my mid Cs and Ds, but the problem is that they don't feel easy yet. So I was just curious, does it ever get to the point where you have no problem belting out high notes. I can play pretty high relaxed and effortless in a practice room at a comfortable volume, but if I have to play those high notes in the context of Copland's 3rd for example, it would still sound decent, but I'll be pushing myself pretty hard, so, with the use of that example, was the second movement (or the whole piece at that) of that particular symphony something you considered to be physicaly easy? It sure sounded like it, but I was just curious how you felt afterwards. Was it a walk in the park, or did you go home and ice yourself down? And if it was pretty easy for you, which I'm assuming it is, what are the methods used to get to that point? Thanks a lot! __________________ Music isn't a career, it's a way of life.

11-13-2005, 12:34 AM	#2 (permalink)
A.N.A. Mendez Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 637	If it was easy evryone would be doing it........... __________________ (Above) Alexanders ragtime band-circa 1960 "Baby, I'm already the coolest, and the hippist, now you want me to be on time too?" Buddy Love "We appointed all our worst generals to command our armies, and our best generals to edit our newspapers." Robert E. Lee

11-13-2005, 12:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
A.N.A. Mendez Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 637	Describe vigorous for us.......'' __________________ (Above) Alexanders ragtime band-circa 1960 "Baby, I'm already the coolest, and the hippist, now you want me to be on time too?" Buddy Love "We appointed all our worst generals to command our armies, and our best generals to edit our newspapers." Robert E. Lee

11-14-2005, 07:15 AM	#8 (permalink)
joshuasullins Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Newport, RI Posts: 80	This seems like a cop-out of a response, but honestly, practice. Practice is the only answer. Will those high notes get easier. Yes. Absolutely. But you will have to put in the time and practice on upper register studies. Range is a cummulative thing. Eventually you will be talking about, "whether double G's will ever be easy" Don't worry! Just practice! and is that true about the masseuses?! V/R Joshua Sullins __________________ trumpet: Flip Oaked Wind Thing in gold plate, #1 Tuning Slide piece: Monette PRANA BL3 Flugel: Yamaha 631, Rose brass bell (I really want a Flip Oakes Flugel... putting together the cash)

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11-13-2005, 10:18 AM	#3 (permalink)
Manny Laureano Utimate User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 5,989	Well, there's a pretty long distance between a walk and the park and having to ice one's self down. Let's put it this way: I wasn't having any trouble with it but you have to concentrate and keep your inspiration level up very high during recordings. What's nice is that in the Minnesota Orchestra we have about a half dozen Swedish masseuses that keep us limber between takes by contract. A vigorous lip and face massage is available to us during these sessions and it's very helpful. I told you I love this job... ML

11-13-2005, 05:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
MalinTrumpet Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 71	Manny: Is that blond who was in The Producers still one of the masseuses? ("Bialystock and Bloom") Larry M.

11-13-2005, 07:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
Manny Laureano Utimate User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 5,989	Actually, I was thinking more like Jamie Le Curtis as "Inga, from Sveden. yah?" Dan Akroyd is one lucky boy, that's all I can say. ML

11-14-2005, 12:56 AM	#7 (permalink)
Umyoguy New Friend Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kalamazoo Posts: 32	I used to talk about this kind of thing all the time with Mr. Rommel, my teacher at IU. (the easy part, not massages! At least when we weren't playing golf, anyway). He would always tell me to make things sound right, and that my body would eventually figure out the most efficient way to acheive the desired sound. After a couple years, I find that he is right, and that when things are working, there are times when extremely "difficult" passages come out with little to no effort - That's not to say there isn't a great amount of concentration or intensity, but there are times when you just sit back and think "Man...That was too easy." Now, I don't know whether once you get to Mr. Laureano's (or Mr. Rommel's) level that goes away and everything becomes easy, or changes in another way, but I can tell you from my experience that it's an intoxicating feeling, and it's what keeps me coming back for more. Jon

11-14-2005, 08:36 AM	#9 (permalink)
gregc Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New York, U.S. of A. Posts: 548	Manny, you dog you.... greg

11-14-2005, 09:19 AM	#10 (permalink)
Manny Laureano Utimate User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 5,989	Voof, voof.. ML

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