Double Buzz HELP!!!

Principaltrumpet · 05-24-2007, 02:37 PM

In december of 2006 I changed my embouchure with the guidance of my teacher. All has seemed to go great, however recently I have developed a double buzz and I cant seem to get rid of it. It only occurs between Second line G and top line F. I can make myself do it, but I cant stop it when it happens on its own. Any advice?
Josh Ritchie

Vulgano Brother · 05-24-2007, 02:47 PM

For me, the double-buzz occurs when my jaw is a tad bit too high. Dropping the jaw makes it go away raising it makes it happen. But that's for me. For others it may be an AIR ISSUE or PRESSURE or HORN ANGLE. How do you make your double buzz? Does not consciously doing the opposite make it go away? If not, maybe you haven't pinpointed your cause quite yet.

Good luck, and happy hunting!

Firestas'1 · 05-24-2007, 02:55 PM

I occasionally get a double buzz towards the upper register.
When it happens I buzz without the mouthpiece for 5-10 minutes concentrating on good focus to the aperture and stable firm corners, this usually fixes it.

rowuk · 05-24-2007, 03:00 PM

I have only had two students in the last 20 years with this problem, so I am not really a big expert, but in both cases we solved it by laying off of any range building exercizes (nothing above G on top of the staff) or heavy playing gigs for a month.
We concentrated on a pretty, focussed, dense sound up to about mf, never practiced until the chops got tired (many short playing sessions during the day) and spent time buzzing on the mouthpiece then playing the horn (increasing chop strength). That I called melody month.
In both cases 4 weeks was enough.

Principaltrumpet · 05-24-2007, 03:11 PM

Rowuk,
It is interesting you say what you have. In the past few months I have been working to increase my range by a couple of half steps. Are you saying that I should play nothing at all above a G or just when practicing?
JR

rowuk · 05-25-2007, 04:59 AM

During the melody month, I recommend playing the hymnbook (or similar) from front to back - NOTHING up high. Critical is the focus on a beautiful, pure, dense(resonant) tone and precise attack. Get your pianissimo playing together!
Sometimes our body gives us hints that something is not right. We often do not hear that voice.
A month of solid playing in the mid and low register at moderate dynamics will not set ANYBODY back, but give us an opportunity to get back to the basics and become more intimate with the face that we regularly beat up when practicing the high range! I think your problem is probably mechanical and easily curable if you back off for a little while!
Work on your musicianship, articulation, dynamics and breathing during the melody month! Just leave the loud and high alone.

Vulgano Brother · 05-25-2007, 12:38 PM

I'll jump on here to add that pianissimo playing is one of the healthiest things we can do for our chops--if it works whisper quiet, it will generally work at all dynamic levels (although loud playing requires its own practice, but for that we usually don't need encouraging)!

Richard Oliver · 05-25-2007, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowuk

Sometimes our body gives us hints that something is not right. We often do not hear that voice.
A month of solid playing in the mid and low register at moderate dynamics will not set ANYBODY back, but give us an opportunity to get back to the basics and become more intimate with the face that we regularly beat up when practicing the high range! I think your problem is probably mechanical and easily curable if you back off for a little while!
Work on your musicianship, articulation, dynamics and breathing during the melody month! Just leave the loud and high alone.

Great advice.

I tore my left bicep about 2 weeks ago. Can't hold the horn with the left hand.

My body is telling me DON'T!

All the Best,

Righty Rich

stchasking · 05-25-2007, 01:21 PM

I had the problem playing around middle C with a shallow cup mouth piece and only in performance situations. It was a night mare. I gave up on shallow cups and went to a 5C. I now play a 3D.
I have no idea what will happen if I have to play Silent Night at the bottom of the staff. I think some of it was lower jaw position on low notes.
The Bach mouth piece manual says the lips are bottoming out in the cup. I'll leave it to others to comment.

05-24-2007, 02:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
Principaltrumpet Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: north texas Posts: 151	Double Buzz HELP!!! In december of 2006 I changed my embouchure with the guidance of my teacher. All has seemed to go great, however recently I have developed a double buzz and I cant seem to get rid of it. It only occurs between Second line G and top line F. I can make myself do it, but I cant stop it when it happens on its own. Any advice? Josh Ritchie __________________ Yamaha "Chicago" C Yamaha "New York" Bb Blessing Eb/D Yamaha 6810S Picc Bach 2C Joshua C. Ritchie http://www.joshuacritchie.com

05-24-2007, 02:47 PM	#2 (permalink)
Vulgano Brother Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Home Posts: 3,265	Re: Double Buzz HELP!!! For me, the double-buzz occurs when my jaw is a tad bit too high. Dropping the jaw makes it go away raising it makes it happen. But that's for me. For others it may be an AIR ISSUE or PRESSURE or HORN ANGLE. How do you make your double buzz? Does not consciously doing the opposite make it go away? If not, maybe you haven't pinpointed your cause quite yet. Good luck, and happy hunting! __________________ "A tool good enough to be so used and not too good" C.S. Lewis That Hideous Strength www.letsbuildhope.org

05-24-2007, 02:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
Firestas'1 Piano User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 388	Re: Double Buzz HELP!!! I occasionally get a double buzz towards the upper register. When it happens I buzz without the mouthpiece for 5-10 minutes concentrating on good focus to the aperture and stable firm corners, this usually fixes it. __________________ Stan J. What is to reach the heart must come from above. If it does not, it will be nothing but notes, body without spirit. --Ludwig van Beethoven Music is God's best gift to man. The only art of heaven given to earth, the only art of earth we take to heaven. --Letitia Elizabeth Landon

05-24-2007, 03:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,374	Re: Double Buzz HELP!!! I have only had two students in the last 20 years with this problem, so I am not really a big expert, but in both cases we solved it by laying off of any range building exercizes (nothing above G on top of the staff) or heavy playing gigs for a month. We concentrated on a pretty, focussed, dense sound up to about mf, never practiced until the chops got tired (many short playing sessions during the day) and spent time buzzing on the mouthpiece then playing the horn (increasing chop strength). That I called melody month. In both cases 4 weeks was enough. __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

05-24-2007, 03:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
Principaltrumpet Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: north texas Posts: 151	Re: Double Buzz HELP!!! Rowuk, It is interesting you say what you have. In the past few months I have been working to increase my range by a couple of half steps. Are you saying that I should play nothing at all above a G or just when practicing? JR __________________ Yamaha "Chicago" C Yamaha "New York" Bb Blessing Eb/D Yamaha 6810S Picc Bach 2C Joshua C. Ritchie http://www.joshuacritchie.com

05-25-2007, 04:59 AM	#6 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,374	Re: Double Buzz HELP!!! During the melody month, I recommend playing the hymnbook (or similar) from front to back - NOTHING up high. Critical is the focus on a beautiful, pure, dense(resonant) tone and precise attack. Get your pianissimo playing together! Sometimes our body gives us hints that something is not right. We often do not hear that voice. A month of solid playing in the mid and low register at moderate dynamics will not set ANYBODY back, but give us an opportunity to get back to the basics and become more intimate with the face that we regularly beat up when practicing the high range! I think your problem is probably mechanical and easily curable if you back off for a little while! Work on your musicianship, articulation, dynamics and breathing during the melody month! Just leave the loud and high alone. __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

05-25-2007, 12:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
Vulgano Brother Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Home Posts: 3,265	Re: Double Buzz HELP!!! I'll jump on here to add that pianissimo playing is one of the healthiest things we can do for our chops--if it works whisper quiet, it will generally work at all dynamic levels (although loud playing requires its own practice, but for that we usually don't need encouraging)! __________________ "A tool good enough to be so used and not too good" C.S. Lewis That Hideous Strength www.letsbuildhope.org

05-25-2007, 01:21 PM	#9 (permalink)
stchasking Forte User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,367	Re: Double Buzz HELP!!! I had the problem playing around middle C with a shallow cup mouth piece and only in performance situations. It was a night mare. I gave up on shallow cups and went to a 5C. I now play a 3D. I have no idea what will happen if I have to play Silent Night at the bottom of the staff. I think some of it was lower jaw position on low notes. The Bach mouth piece manual says the lips are bottoming out in the cup. I'll leave it to others to comment. __________________ "I was performing professionally at age 17 and have never had a real job." Allen Vizzutti http://cdbaby.com/cd/mcking

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