Welcome to TrumpetMaster.com

You are currently viewing our trumpet site as a guest, which gives you limited access to many features. By joining our community you will be able to post topics in our trumpet forum, place ads in our classifieds, add your upcoming event to our calendar, communicate privately with other members (PM), and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free!

We hope you will join our community today!


Go Back   TrumpetMaster > General > Trumpet Discussion


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 07-26-2006, 01:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
MahlerBrass
Piano User
 
MahlerBrass's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 371
MahlerBrass is an unknown quantity at this point
Send a message via AIM to MahlerBrass Send a message via MSN to MahlerBrass
The Dreaded Double Buzz

So I've noticed on occassion some of my attacks tend to have this double buzz to them, it's doesn't happen a lot, but it happens, which is enough to bug me, it's really evident on some notes when I buzz on my mouthpiece, I've also heard this happen to a number of pro players, which leads me to believe that this isn't an amateur problem, so what is it that causes that "razz" sound when playing? I hear it when I buzz and can't figure out what to do to get rid of it, I feel like I'm playing in the center, but apparantly not, so, what's the deal? What causes this dilemma? and more importantly, how does one overcome the problem? Thanks all!
__________________
Music isn't a career, it's a way of life.
MahlerBrass is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2006, 02:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
Vulgano Brother
Moderator
Fortissimo User
 
Vulgano Brother's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Home
Posts: 3,265
Vulgano Brother is a jewel in the roughVulgano Brother is a jewel in the roughVulgano Brother is a jewel in the rough
You might try the Famous Farkas trick: teach yourself to get that double-buzz on command in order to find out what you are doing that causes the double-buzz. (For me, I can make it happen when I close the lips together horizontally [with lips or jaw].) The double-buzz, used correctly, can really gross out string players: play some low ones and yell out “Wow, that sounded just like a double-bass!” Have fun!
__________________
"A tool good enough to be so used and not too good"
C.S. Lewis That Hideous Strength
www.letsbuildhope.org
Vulgano Brother is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-2006, 10:46 AM   #3 (permalink)
dannyo67
New Friend
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 3
dannyo67 is an unknown quantity at this point
did you just change equipment? Any tiny change in your set up, equipment, or the way you play can produce a double buzz until you adjust to it. I think itll just go away in time
dannyo67 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-2006, 11:22 AM   #4 (permalink)
Manny Laureano
Utimate User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 5,989
Manny Laureano has a spectacular aura about
The double buzz is created to to a usually subconcious confusion between the embouchure and the tongue. There is often a lack of motion in the supportive abdominal muscles (in english, the abs are unnecessarily stiff) at the same time but not always.

In other words, the embouchure is set for one register and the tongue is set for another. If your "stomach" is stiff instead of fluidly expanding and contracting naturally, that makes it worse.

Here's an exaggerated example: if you set your mind/embouchure to play a middle Ab, for example, but need to play a high Ab, you will get a fairly nasty-sounding double buzz. Clamp down your stomach and you'll get a sound not found in nature. Well, perhaps around mating season....

You must hear the notes before you play them VERY CLEARLY and then play them. You must allow the natural expansion that takes place when you inhale and then allow the natural collapsing of the abs when you exhale just like sneezing or coughing. Blow out a candle from five feet away and you'll see what I mean. Now, play the horn the same way: with a clear objective in mind and as though the horn didn't exist, free from its inherent resistance.

ML
Manny Laureano is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-2006, 11:56 AM   #5 (permalink)
NickD
Mezzo Forte User
 
NickD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Chicago northern suburbs
Posts: 826
NickD has a spectacular aura about
Good ideas, so far...

For ME, on those occassions that a double buzz occurs, it is my lower lip that has gotten out of hand - I got sloppy with the set, usually when I'm horsing around with moutpieces of different sizes and shapes. I solve the problem in an instant by just resetting with my proper lower lip set and things are fine.

I don't have the ability to produce a double buzz on demand, though. Hmmmmm... Well, so far nobody ahs aksed to to do one on demand. "Knock on wood..."



Nick
__________________

NickD
"Free Online Lessons in Extreme Trumpet Playing"
http://www.nickdrozdoff.com
http://www.newyorktrumpetcompany.com/
http://www.myspace.com/nickdrozdoff
NickD is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Unleash Your Anger

TrumpetMaster
Copyright 2006 TrumpetMaster.com
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:05 PM.

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v2.2.0/Links 1.01
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC8

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31