Eb, D, Db, lost?

crowmadic · 04-26-2007, 07:43 PM

I just bought a 1963 Conn Victor 22B. It came with a Bach 3C mouthpiece which gives the horn a full, darkesh sound, so I'm making a switch from using my Rudy Muck 17C for this horn. It plays beautifully but low Eb, D, and Db, washes out when I play a chromatic scale up and down. I guess it's worse on the way down. It's like air has just come out of a tire. I'm pretty sure it's not my breathing because the low C played after those notes is full and rich............help!

Vulgano Brother · 04-26-2007, 07:50 PM

The one thing they have in common is third valve. Any weird stuff going on with the valve or the valve slide?

prof5 · 04-26-2007, 08:46 PM

Check for leaks, and not just water keys!

stchasking · 04-26-2007, 09:29 PM

I played a conn victor in junior high and most of high school. I am in favor of the third valve not being fully down. Let us know what you find out.

rowuk · 04-27-2007, 06:42 AM

It sounds like a leak for sure! Could also be a very worn out 3rd valve.

crowmadic · 04-27-2007, 06:48 PM

FALSE ALARM! I'm really sorry guys. It wasn't the horn it was me. Those notes are back, and I'm adapting well to that 3C mouthpiece. I behaved like a hypocondriac rushing to the TM doctors over a symptom that just required time. What is interesting is that in a previous thread I complained about the results I had on a 3C. But the combination of this Conn Victor 22B and the Bach 3C has changed my mind. I think I finally got my hands on a decent horn. I can just imagine the awakening I'll have if I win the Eclipse!!

Vulgano Brother · 04-27-2007, 07:11 PM

DON'T PANIC! You are not the first of us to discover a problem resulting from a loose screw behind the mouthpiece!

Dale Proctor · 04-28-2007, 12:37 AM

It's been my experience that vintage Conns play very well on vintage Conn mouthpieces. If you can pick up an old Conn 4 cheap, give it a try. I bought a '60 Conn 6B Victor, and tried my 3C (my usual trumpet mouthpiece) on it, and it didn't play as well as I hoped it would - intonation issues and some stuffyness. I bought an old Conn mouthpiece just to see how the original equipment piece performed and it plays great. I'm not sure why it works, but I'm sticking with it.

crowmadic · 04-28-2007, 10:03 AM

Dale,
I appreciate your suggestion, and I'll look into a vintage Conn mouthpiece. But I must tell you that this horn and mouthpice combo is giving me nice intonation and sound..........tom

Dale Proctor · 04-28-2007, 08:30 PM

If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

04-26-2007, 07:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
crowmadic Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 524	Eb, D, Db, lost? I just bought a 1963 Conn Victor 22B. It came with a Bach 3C mouthpiece which gives the horn a full, darkesh sound, so I'm making a switch from using my Rudy Muck 17C for this horn. It plays beautifully but low Eb, D, and Db, washes out when I play a chromatic scale up and down. I guess it's worse on the way down. It's like air has just come out of a tire. I'm pretty sure it's not my breathing because the low C played after those notes is full and rich............help!

04-26-2007, 07:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
Vulgano Brother Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Home Posts: 2,969	Re: Eb, D, Db, lost? The one thing they have in common is third valve. Any weird stuff going on with the valve or the valve slide? Last edited by Vulgano Brother : 04-27-2007 at 06:59 PM. Reason: spelling
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04-26-2007, 08:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
prof5 New Friend Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 23	Re: Eb, D, Db, lost? Check for leaks, and not just water keys!
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04-26-2007, 09:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
stchasking Forte User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,210	Re: Eb, D, Db, lost? I played a conn victor in junior high and most of high school. I am in favor of the third valve not being fully down. Let us know what you find out.
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04-27-2007, 06:42 AM	#5 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Brand: Nat, Piston, Rotary Posts: 3,923	Re: Eb, D, Db, lost? It sounds like a leak for sure! Could also be a very worn out 3rd valve.
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04-27-2007, 06:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
crowmadic Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 524	Re: Eb, D, Db, lost? FALSE ALARM! I'm really sorry guys. It wasn't the horn it was me. Those notes are back, and I'm adapting well to that 3C mouthpiece. I behaved like a hypocondriac rushing to the TM doctors over a symptom that just required time. What is interesting is that in a previous thread I complained about the results I had on a 3C. But the combination of this Conn Victor 22B and the Bach 3C has changed my mind. I think I finally got my hands on a decent horn. I can just imagine the awakening I'll have if I win the Eclipse!!

04-27-2007, 07:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
Vulgano Brother Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Home Posts: 2,969	Re: Eb, D, Db, lost? DON'T PANIC! You are not the first of us to discover a problem resulting from a loose screw behind the mouthpiece!
	__________________ "A tool good enough to be so used and not too good" C.S. Lewis That Hideous Strength www.letsbuildhope.org

04-28-2007, 12:37 AM	#8 (permalink)
Dale Proctor Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Heart of Dixie Brand: Bach, vintage Conn Posts: 636	Re: Eb, D, Db, lost? It's been my experience that vintage Conns play very well on vintage Conn mouthpieces. If you can pick up an old Conn 4 cheap, give it a try. I bought a '60 Conn 6B Victor, and tried my 3C (my usual trumpet mouthpiece) on it, and it didn't play as well as I hoped it would - intonation issues and some stuffyness. I bought an old Conn mouthpiece just to see how the original equipment piece performed and it plays great. I'm not sure why it works, but I'm sticking with it.
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04-28-2007, 10:03 AM	#9 (permalink)
crowmadic Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 524	Re: Eb, D, Db, lost? Dale, I appreciate your suggestion, and I'll look into a vintage Conn mouthpiece. But I must tell you that this horn and mouthpice combo is giving me nice intonation and sound..........tom

04-28-2007, 08:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
Dale Proctor Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Heart of Dixie Brand: Bach, vintage Conn Posts: 636	Re: Eb, D, Db, lost? If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
	__________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away." - Sir Thomas Beecham Olde Towne Brass www.otbrass.com Brass Band of Huntsville www.brassbandofhuntsville.org

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