flugelhorn question

Decentplayer · 03-29-2008, 04:35 PM

What is the difference between a flugelhorn that has a 3rd slide trigger and one that doesn't?? Also, are rotary valve flugelhorns any good??

PSH · 03-29-2008, 05:10 PM

the trigger serves the same function as the 3rd slide finger ring on a trumpet. so the difference is that Ds and C#s on a flugel with a trigger will play in tune. I have no info on rotary valve horns...perhaps someone else can chime in?

~PSH

lmf · 03-29-2008, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSH

the trigger serves the same function as the 3rd slide finger ring on a trumpet. so the difference is that Ds and C#s on a flugel with a trigger will play in tune. I have no info on rotary valve horns...perhaps someone else can chime in?

~PSH

Hi,

If you plan to purchase a flugelhorn (new or used), the 3rd valve slide in definite plus. Most people try to purchase a horn with the slide for fine tuning. You won't be sorry if you do, but you probably will be if you don't.

I have never played a rotary, but others on this site have.

Best wishes,

Lloyd

brem · 03-29-2008, 11:23 PM

A trigger means you can adjust the 3rd slide. No trigger, obviously means it's fixed during play.

Dale Proctor · 03-29-2008, 11:40 PM

I have a flugel without a 3rd valve trigger. You just have to lip the low C# and D into tune. If you listen as you play, it isn't very hard to do on a large conical-bore instrument with a deep conical mouthpiece. Of course, having a trigger is better.

BrassOnLine · 03-30-2008, 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSH

the trigger serves the same function as the 3rd slide finger ring on a trumpet. so the difference is that Ds and C#s on a flugel with a trigger will play in tune. I have no info on rotary valve horns...perhaps someone else can chime in?

~PSH

A thirde slide trigger is standard on my rotary flugels, as most makers, such as Thein Brothers.
In addition, a first slide trigger could be added.

wlrube · 03-30-2008, 07:16 AM

You can get a 3rd slide trigger added at any good brass repair place. It's not that expensive a modification, and it makes things a lot easier.

rowuk · 03-30-2008, 02:54 PM

The type of valve is insignificant. There is as much rotary quality and trash as with piston trumpets. Whatever axe that you are looking for, you need to play before you pay.
Rotary flugels can be AWESOME.

BrassOnLine · 03-30-2008, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowuk

The type of valve is insignificant. There is as much rotary quality and trash as with piston trumpets. Whatever axe that you are looking for, you need to play before you pay.
Rotary flugels can be AWESOME.

Well, it could be matter for other thread, but you know that the market rotary trumpets & flugels is so concrete, and new makers are not welcome. That makes that new makers must do things really well.
Also, in Germany -the main market of rotaries- is mandatory to be in possesion of the Master Maker Diploma (MusikInstrumenteBauerMeister) to open a new facilities.
Proportionally, there is much less trash in rotary instruments than perinet.
Anyway, take care. China is everywhere.
My valve pistons are made by Getzen, but I asked a famous English maker and he offered to sell piston valves wich are made in China...
Excuse me, but I will not tell you the brand-name.

BTW I must say that I don't find so many troubbles to play in tune with a flugel than in a trumpet. Maybe it's only my feel.

Best regards !!!

lmf · 03-30-2008, 07:07 PM

Hi,

You might wish to review the article about rotary trumpet which is interesting and informative. Others who play or have played rotary trumpets will probably add their opinions as to the differences between piston and rotary instruments.

The Rotary Trumpet: A Voyage of Discovery By Murray Greig

Brass-Forum.co.uk - The Rotary Trumpet: A Voyage of Discovery

You may also want to review:

A Player's Guide to Rotary Valve Trumpets

Best wishes,

Lloyd

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brem Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Quebec City, QC, Canada Brand: Stage 1 - Schilke mpc Posts: 652	Re: flugelhorn question A trigger means you can adjust the 3rd slide. No trigger, obviously means it's fixed during play.
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Dale Proctor Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Heart of Dixie Brand: Bach, vintage Conn Posts: 636	Re: flugelhorn question I have a flugel without a 3rd valve trigger. You just have to lip the low C# and D into tune. If you listen as you play, it isn't very hard to do on a large conical-bore instrument with a deep conical mouthpiece. Of course, having a trigger is better.
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wlrube New Friend Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: San Francisco Posts: 30	Re: flugelhorn question You can get a 3rd slide trigger added at any good brass repair place. It's not that expensive a modification, and it makes things a lot easier.
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rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Brand: Nat, Piston, Rotary Posts: 3,923	Re: flugelhorn question The type of valve is insignificant. There is as much rotary quality and trash as with piston trumpets. Whatever axe that you are looking for, you need to play before you pay. Rotary flugels can be AWESOME.
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03-30-2008, 07:07 PM	#10 (permalink)
lmf Pianissimo User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Warsaw, Indiana Posts: 194	Re: flugelhorn question Hi, You might wish to review the article about rotary trumpet which is interesting and informative. Others who play or have played rotary trumpets will probably add their opinions as to the differences between piston and rotary instruments. The Rotary Trumpet: A Voyage of Discovery By Murray Greig Brass-Forum.co.uk - The Rotary Trumpet: A Voyage of Discovery You may also want to review: A Player's Guide to Rotary Valve Trumpets Best wishes, Lloyd Last edited by lmf : 03-30-2008 at 07:33 PM.

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