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    General Issues...

    All you guys have been so helpful in the past with my playing that I thought that I'd try you again!

    Firstly, I have developed a mouth ulcer on the inside of my lower lip that I have had for over three months now, and it is without doubt having a negative effect on my trumpet playing. I have been to the doctor, and he seemed to think that the only way to get rid of it would be to stop playing the trumpet for about a month! Clearly, as trumpet players yourselves, you can understand this just isn't a feasible option! So do you have any ideas of what I can do? I've tried so many over-the counter medecines and creams etc - I'm at a loss!

    Secondly, I am looking to change my mouthpice: I have an exam in March for which I have to play Fanfare for the Common Man, the Haydn Concerto, an Arban etude, and the usual scales, sight-reading etc, and it is such a struggle to get through all of this on my current mouthpiece, which is a Bach 1 1/4 C. I was thinking about changing to a 3c, or the Schilke equivalent, but I would appreciate your thoughts on the matter too!

    Finally, and this is a quicky, do you think that the 2nd movement of the Haydn is an appropriate piece to play in an audition, or would you recommend something more difficult, demonstrating greater skill?

    I really appreciate your help, many thanks!

    Chris H.
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    Re: General Issues...

    Follow Dr.'s instructions.

    All the best,

    Richard Oliver

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    Re: General Issues...

    Oddly enough, Chris, I was going to suggest a bigger rim to give you a bit more wiggle room and relieve the discomfort. I went into work once a few years ago with a pimple on my lower lip wondering how I was going to get through the show when i asked Bob to use his mouthpiece which was a monette 1-1. That's deeper and has a high point that's further away than the 1-2 I was using. I was never able to play well on it prior to that but with my lip swollen it was a perfect fit and the show went very well.

    With this ulceration INSIDE your lip you may be dealing with a different problem but I wanted to offer that idea and explanation, anyway.

    Good luck,


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    In brief...

    I'd seek another doctor - perhaps even a skin specialist. There are plenty of options for you.

    Secondly, if you are serious (along with your teacher's advice???, right?) considering a mpc change - doing so now would be preferable to waiting until closer to the concert, as you might not have enough time to get acclimated. We can all speculate - but nothing will replace you just simply trying out some things. There are plenty of options here too. Do some homework on similar sizes to your current mpc vs other makes and see where you can try some.

    Third...I'm sure there are others who'll give some great suggestions here - but as for the 2nd of the Haydn, I suppose it would depend on what else is on the audition. If other things are more technical in nature, then a beautiful rendition of the 2nd would seem appropriate as balance.

    Thoughts...2 or 3 cents...maybe less.. Good luck.
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    What is the ulceration caused by? Pressure? I'm with Manny here. Have you tried a 1c or even a 1?

    As for Haydn: that is not an easy piece, musically. To make it your own is quite a challenge, actually. Like Wilcox said, if you balance it with something a bit more technical it would show versatility. Are you using an Eb, Bb or C for Haydn?
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    Generally, bacterial infections in the mouth heal very quickly. If it is viral in nature, some time off could be realistic - a month is not realistic. In any case if not treated correctly, lasting damage could occur - so check with a second doctor.

    Switching mouthpieces 8 weeks before a serious exam is not much time to acclimate. As you won't know it works until you have tried a new mouthpiece for a while and if it doesn't you need to acclimate back and you have this lip sore, I would not change anything (except what is needed to get rid of the sore!).

    For painful sores in my mouth, I take a whole fresh salve leaf (we have it growing here) and put it between the gums and the sore. Salve is pain relieving and antiseptic.

    I would never play the Haydn 2nd unless it was ABSOLUTELY required. It is played too often and the chance of being directly compared to another rendition is too great. The Otto Ketting Intrada for instance shows many more aspects of ones playing and is not played so often. It is not difficult but is easy to sound impressive with.
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    If the sore spot is caused by a tooth protrusion go to an orthodontist. Talk over the options to get it moved into place. You have a long career ahead and straight teeth is the long term solution.
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    Okay, firstly the ulcer - I'm pretty sure there is some really strong stuff you can get from the chemist, it might mean not playing for a week, but tell the chemist you have a severe cratered ulcer and see what they give you. Gargle salt water every 4 hours as well.

    Secondly, i'm guessing from the repertoire (although Fanfare for the Common Man seems weird) the exam is your grade 8? If the ulcer is still a problem postpone the exam if you can. Wait until the ulcer is gone, and then begin to practice the pieces in such a way that you develop stamina as you go along - I'm sure there is lots of good advice on how to do this, but a good start is here:

    but, get rid of the ulcer first.

    Finally, the Haydn 2nd - play something else - it's technically too easy, i played it years ago for college entry alongside the Hindemith Sonate (1st mvt) and every panel was really not bothered about hearing the Haydn.

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    Wash your mouth out with, and apply Chloriphyll to the infected spot. Put it on a Q-tip and just leave it there.

    It can be purchased most places . Nature's Way is a good brand. It has a very pleasant mint flavor.

    It should heal it within a couple days.

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    I won't tell you what to do regarding the ulcer, but I will say that rather than seeing an MD, you should comsult a dentist or periodontist. It is likely that there is a mouth rinse that can help the healing process, or at least relieve some of the discomfort.
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