High Notes, or the lack there of... - Page 3

tedh1951 · 09-09-2009, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NickD

First, listen to Wilmer about the Clarkes thing. Noticethe SOFT PLAYING thing.

I have been to clinics by Jim Manely and Roger Ingram recently. The three of us all have exchanged emails on the subject and there is a common theme - soft playing to set the chops up of the upper register. You don't even have to play the upper register to get the form set up! This supports the advice of other posters here telling you to not press the high note issue for a while till you develop proper habits - form.

The one thing that I do a little differently is focus on form as opposed to strength. I never think of myself as building strength in my chops. I think of myself as playing with a proper form that I have developed over the years of thoughtful hard work on all of this.

Here is a list of things I think about with all of this.

Soft playing
Aperture control - loud = bigger; soft = smaller; low = bigger; high = smaller; loud and low = biggest; soft and high = smallest
Lip flexibility - forces the issue of proper tongue position
Lip flexibilities played SOFTLY combines the concepts - requires control

Form and control - once you develop those, they don't get tired.

Final bit of advice: continue to work dilligently with your teacher whilst keeping an open mind to new ideas as they impinge on you.

FWIIW coming from me...

Peace!

Nick

Thanks Nick, that provides some clarity for me - I reckon between you, Robin, Wilmer, Sofus, and Chuck - I might end up knowing a bit about trumpet theory. From Old Lou I might learn a bit about hardware. From Bear I might get a handle on life. From Nordlands I may be able to see trumpets where they wouldn't normally exist and with a little bit of luck, and some repitition, I might one day be able to bang out a toon or two, too. And for all the unnamed thousands - thanks too and cheers ....

LSN1052 · 11-01-2009, 11:07 PM

So im basically starting a new thread here.

Id say a lot has changed since that lame cry for help at the beginning.

Marching Seasons over. Somehow i landed 1st chair Symphonic, AND was coerced into auditioning for jazz band and sight read the music and got 1st chair. and i am playing in the musical Pit fot the play.

So im pretty pumped for the rest of the year. But i could still use to build my range.

Besides the fact that ill be playing hellalot, any quick practice tips or routines that a can eeeek in to that to help the high notes? Thanks alot.

Or one kind person can tell me to stop being lazy and just deduce my own techniques from the 3 pages before this.

missmybaby · 11-01-2009, 11:25 PM

...listen to wilmer maybe? hellloooo... If Bernstein gave him high praise, I suppose he may know wtf he is talkin about.

Aside from Wilmer, Carmine Caruso Method comes pretty highly recommended in squeeler circles. That other trumpet site has a whole section built around supporting the method. Some head games there, looks interesting. IIRC, the method book runs around $90. Maybe Santa can get a discount.

ewetho · 11-02-2009, 01:44 AM

I hit the wall at High C for most of my life. Heck 16 years out of practice could still hit that note but above that was the preverbal lost continent. I started with a Claude GOrdon Certified teacher and now can lay down to Dbl Pedal C and regularly up to G above High C. Have been into B and Dbl C territory a few times too.

Get a good teacher and get to diligent work.

For free you can listen to the audio files from Jeff Purtles website in his section. Listen to the stuff from Claude himself. Really invaluable. Just takes time.

Kind of funny really. His take on the lips after getting a MP set is to tell you to forget them!!! They are there just to vibrate. Most of the work you need is in the Tongue.

I know I know Yeah Right.... Well my G would beg to differ!!! It is becoming more consistent and reliable every day.

rowuk · 11-02-2009, 12:09 PM

LSN,
forget it. There is no quick fix. Everything has been said. Now you just have to have listened and start doing something about the rest of your trumpet playing life.

Waiting for a miracle just leaves you behind the rest. Shortcuts are stupid.

I'm closing this thread. There is nothing new to add

11-01-2009, 11:07 PM	#22
LSN1052 New Friend Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Lee's Summit, Missouri Posts: 18	Re: High Notes, or the lack there of... So im basically starting a new thread here. Id say a lot has changed since that lame cry for help at the beginning. Marching Seasons over. Somehow i landed 1st chair Symphonic, AND was coerced into auditioning for jazz band and sight read the music and got 1st chair. and i am playing in the musical Pit fot the play. So im pretty pumped for the rest of the year. But i could still use to build my range. Besides the fact that ill be playing hellalot, any quick practice tips or routines that a can eeeek in to that to help the high notes? Thanks alot. Or one kind person can tell me to stop being lazy and just deduce my own techniques from the 3 pages before this.

11-01-2009, 11:25 PM	#23
missmybaby New Friend Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 40	Re: High Notes, or the lack there of... ...listen to wilmer maybe? hellloooo... If Bernstein gave him high praise, I suppose he may know wtf he is talkin about. Aside from Wilmer, Carmine Caruso Method comes pretty highly recommended in squeeler circles. That other trumpet site has a whole section built around supporting the method. Some head games there, looks interesting. IIRC, the method book runs around $90. Maybe Santa can get a discount.

11-02-2009, 01:44 AM	#24
ewetho Piano User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Kankakee, IL Posts: 257	Re: High Notes, or the lack there of... I hit the wall at High C for most of my life. Heck 16 years out of practice could still hit that note but above that was the preverbal lost continent. I started with a Claude GOrdon Certified teacher and now can lay down to Dbl Pedal C and regularly up to G above High C. Have been into B and Dbl C territory a few times too. Get a good teacher and get to diligent work. For free you can listen to the audio files from Jeff Purtles website in his section. Listen to the stuff from Claude himself. Really invaluable. Just takes time. Kind of funny really. His take on the lips after getting a MP set is to tell you to forget them!!! They are there just to vibrate. Most of the work you need is in the Tongue. I know I know Yeah Right.... Well my G would beg to differ!!! It is becoming more consistent and reliable every day. __________________ Kanstul Chicago 1001 w/ CG Personal GP Conn 80A w/ CG Personal GP

11-02-2009, 12:09 PM	#25
rowuk Moderator Utimate User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 7,364	Re: High Notes, or the lack there of... LSN, forget it. There is no quick fix. Everything has been said. Now you just have to have listened and start doing something about the rest of your trumpet playing life. Waiting for a miracle just leaves you behind the rest. Shortcuts are stupid. I'm closing this thread. There is nothing new to add __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

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