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Trumpet Discussion Discuss Honeymoon is over in the General forums; So I've been hacking away with my (relatively) new CarolBrass pocket trumpet. Love the sound and feel, but... honeymoon is ...
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    Piano User Satchmo Brecker's Avatar
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    Honeymoon is over

    So I've been hacking away with my (relatively) new CarolBrass pocket trumpet. Love the sound and feel, but... honeymoon is over. It builds up spit or condensation like a rainforest, which I've figured out how to deal with. The 1st valve slide rattles because it's so loose. Fixed that with extra slide goop.

    But this last one has me stumped. The 2nd valve sticks down, even when I've just oiled it. What I've discovered is the valve itself rotates a tiny bit even after I "locked" it in after oiling. (You know how you rotate it a bit after oiling until the little pin thingy falls into it's slot). So when it gets rotated slightly as I'm playing, it gets stuck down. What do I do? My old student horn's valves rotate a tiny bit but never get stuck.
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    Re: Honeymoon is over

    sorry to hear that about your new instrument -- perhaps a tech can look at it. They might be able to build up the little pin so it doesn't rotate at all, then that might solve the problem.
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    Re: Honeymoon is over

    I'd see about sending it back.


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    Re: Honeymoon is over

    Loosen that bottom cap a bit, see if that makes a difference.....
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    Re: Honeymoon is over

    Sorry to hear about your difficulties. I've owned a Carol Brass Pocket Trumpet for almost 2 years now. I use it to practice regularly at work.

    It's a good trumpet for me, and has held up well. But it's not at the level of my Bach or Getzen horns. Part of this is because it's not a professional trumpet. Another issue might be the design compromise required for Pocket Trumpets in general.

    I also have a problem with water buildup. It tends to build up fast (or at least it seems to, maybe because of the tight wrapping). It seems to be worse in cold weather. My approach is to empty out the water early and often.

    I also had problems with sticking valves at first. I had the same problem with my Stradivarius after I had the valves rebuilt. I oiled the valves daily. Anytime the valves would stick, I would swap the casings and the valves with a microfiber rag and re-oil the valves. It took a few weeks, maybe a month or so. But after that, the valves worked great.

    The case is also on the cheaper side. But hey, it's only a $600 horn. One of the latches stopped working after about a year. I purchased a Guard Cornet Gig Bag, which works great.

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    Re: Honeymoon is over

    I had valve issues when I first got my Carol cornet. Same treatment as TrumpetMD stated... Wipe down the valves, swab out the casings, re-oil. They're in great shape now (about 6 months old).

    Oh... My cornet also gathers "water" faster than the Hoover Dam.
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    Re: Honeymoon is over

    Thanks all, I'll give these a try and it's nice to know this problem isn't totally unique to my horn.
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    Re: Honeymoon is over

    When I have an instrument that gathers water I add a few drops of valve oil down the lead pipe each time I play. It seems to help.
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    Re: Honeymoon is over

    Quote Originally Posted by VetPsychWars View Post
    I'd see about sending it back.

    I agree with Tom... time for an annulment.
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