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    I like playing on a 16c4 but my teacher tells me not to

    I took a 3 year break from playing the trumpet and I got back into it this year, recently starting lessons. I have both a Bach 3c and a Yamaha 16c4 mouthpiece, and I recently switched to playing the 16c4 because with it I could play Gs and As above the staff about a thousand times easier. During my lesson today mt teacher strongly told me there was NO way I should be using a 16c4 over my 3c so early into playing the instrument. Is it really that bad to use a 16c4 over a 3c? If anything I feel the exact opposite of how he feels and I have an overall much easier time playing my trumpet with the 16c4 than the 3c.

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    Re: I like playing on a 16c4 but my teacher tells me not to

    do what feels right, dont listen to him. its what feels good to you that matters.

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    Re: I like playing on a 16c4 but my teacher tells me not to

    I wouldn't say don't listen to him. You're paying him for a reason. Never completely ignore your teacher. That completely defeats the purpose of him being your teacher. You're aloud to disagree with him tho. I would suggest asking him why he feels so strongly about it and what make the 3c better.

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    Re: I like playing on a 16c4 but my teacher tells me not to

    Did he give any reasons as to why he was so set on you not playing the Yamaha MP?
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    Re: I like playing on a 16c4 but my teacher tells me not to

    i wasnt meaning to completely not listen him, ask him why he wants you to play the 3c. if he cant give you a good reason, then stick with the yamaha.

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    Re: I like playing on a 16c4 but my teacher tells me not to

    Quote Originally Posted by Nerf View Post
    Did he give any reasons as to why he was so set on you not playing the Yamaha MP?
    he said the 164c was a professional mouthpiece and playing it would develop bad habits. I respect his opinion but the difference between playing the 3c and 16c4 is so drastically better for me its hard for me to listen to him.

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    Re: I like playing on a 16c4 but my teacher tells me not to

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    he said the 164c was a professional mouthpiece and playing it would develop bad habits. I respect his opinion but the difference between playing the 3c and 16c4 is so drastically better for me its hard for me to listen to him.
    I'm not familiar with the yamaha sizes -- is this a particularly radical mouthpiece -- small? shallow? etc....
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    So....by "professional" did he mean it was a "BIG" MP?! Or did he mean that the MP alone gets paid every time you play it?!
    Pain is weakness leaving the body.

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    Selmer Paris Bb/A Piccolo
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    Re: I like playing on a 16c4 but my teacher tells me not to

    Quote Originally Posted by gtromble View Post
    I'm not familiar with the yamaha sizes -- is this a particularly radical mouthpiece -- small? shallow? etc....
    Buy Yamaha Heavyweight Trumpet Mouthpiece Gold-Plated Rim and Cup | Trumpet Mouthpieces | Musician's Friend * Backbore: semi-narrow * Characteristics: Helps generate brilliant sound on D and piccolo trumpet. * Cup depth: semi-shallow * Rim contour: semi-flat * Rim inner diameter(mm): 16.46 * Rim thickness: standard * Throat (mm): 3.65 The mouthpiece came with my Xeno.

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    Re: I like playing on a 16c4 but my teacher tells me not to

    If you're playing a pro level mouthpiece at your experience, and playing it well, good for you.

    I'd never consult my band director for MP advice, he plays trombone, and doesn't know squat about the finesse of choosing a trumpet MP.
    But, he did agree that I sound 1000% better on my new MP, but if I consulted him beforehand, he would have said stick with the 3C, because at my point, people usually only want a MP for high notes. I wanted it because I played better with it (as well as higher :P).

    So just play on the piece you play better on. No sense in playing badly with one tool, when you can play better with a tool you already have.
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