Keeping the silent brass mute in the bell

eisprl · 01-06-2008, 11:02 AM

Does anyone find that the silent brass mute has trouble staying in their bell? I play a xeno and find that the mute just doesn't want to stay in there. This is weird because they are both yamaha. Maybe I am blowing too hard?

Lezwoymn · 01-06-2008, 12:24 PM

Yes it can get loose at times due to the water coming thru the bell. You just should occasionally check it's tightness. I've had mine drop out a few times also. I still love the silent brass system.

jazz9 · 01-06-2008, 01:44 PM

I have the same system. Try blowing into the bell until you can see some light moisture on it. Once you see that, quickly place the mute into the bell. Don't ram it, but don't let the moisture get away either. The moisture should hold the mute in for longer.

rowuk · 01-07-2008, 06:06 AM

On the Xeno and my Monette it does fall out too. The bell shape seems to not be what Yamaha had in mind for this mute. I took an exacto knife and trimmed the rubber seal down a bit. Now it works.

Keegan Katastrofee · 01-12-2008, 11:50 AM

"Huff" into the bell before inserting it, just like with a cork mute, this keeps it in for me, at least.

P.S. I love silent brass. I got it for christmas and its great. I often play at random times in the middle of the night now and noone knows about it
=D

tedh1951 · 01-14-2008, 10:29 PM

I solved this problem in my old Bossey and Hawkes Regent by taking some thin wetsuit material, stripping the fabric from the rubber (you can peel it off by hand if you are gentle, and gluing the rubber in place of the cork - works a treat. Make sure the wetsuit is empty before attacking with your blade though. Sometimes this material is used on the rubber head bands used for holding your sunglasses on when boating etc.

LLD · 01-15-2008, 12:42 AM

Fits great in my strad. *shrug*

jazz9 · 01-15-2008, 02:40 PM

"Huff" into the bell before inserting it, just like with a cork mute, this keeps it in for me, at least.-keegan katastrofee

That's exactly what I was trying to explain, just couldn't get it in the right words. It works for me like that too.

Eeviac · 01-15-2008, 02:44 PM

tedh1951 - that means you could use a piece of neoprene mouse pad too - those are the heavy ones, they're made out of wetsuit material.

jazz9 · 01-15-2008, 02:50 PM

I have no idea what you guys are talking about with the wetsuits.

01-06-2008, 11:02 AM	#1 (permalink)
eisprl Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Halifax, NS CANADA Posts: 506	Keeping the silent brass mute in the bell Does anyone find that the silent brass mute has trouble staying in their bell? I play a xeno and find that the mute just doesn't want to stay in there. This is weird because they are both yamaha. Maybe I am blowing too hard? __________________ Eric Sproul Practice is like filling a leaky bucket Bb: Yamaha Xeno 8335 C: Bach Stadivarious 239L and 25A leadpipe (Owned by Eric Sholtz) Flugel: Yamaha Bobby Shew 6310Z Mouthpieces: GR tech www.stadband.ca

01-06-2008, 12:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
Lezwoymn Pianissimo User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Long Island, NY USA Posts: 136	Re: Keeping the silent brass mute in the bell Yes it can get loose at times due to the water coming thru the bell. You just should occasionally check it's tightness. I've had mine drop out a few times also. I still love the silent brass system.

01-06-2008, 01:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
jazz9 Piano User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 283	Re: Keeping the silent brass mute in the bell I have the same system. Try blowing into the bell until you can see some light moisture on it. Once you see that, quickly place the mute into the bell. Don't ram it, but don't let the moisture get away either. The moisture should hold the mute in for longer.

01-07-2008, 06:06 AM	#4 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,360	Re: Keeping the silent brass mute in the bell On the Xeno and my Monette it does fall out too. The bell shape seems to not be what Yamaha had in mind for this mute. I took an exacto knife and trimmed the rubber seal down a bit. Now it works. __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

01-12-2008, 11:50 AM	#5 (permalink)
Keegan Katastrofee New Friend Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 25	Re: Keeping the silent brass mute in the bell "Huff" into the bell before inserting it, just like with a cork mute, this keeps it in for me, at least. P.S. I love silent brass. I got it for christmas and its great. I often play at random times in the middle of the night now and noone knows about it =D

01-14-2008, 10:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
tedh1951 Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 854	Re: Keeping the silent brass mute in the bell I solved this problem in my old Bossey and Hawkes Regent by taking some thin wetsuit material, stripping the fabric from the rubber (you can peel it off by hand if you are gentle, and gluing the rubber in place of the cork - works a treat. Make sure the wetsuit is empty before attacking with your blade though. Sometimes this material is used on the rubber head bands used for holding your sunglasses on when boating etc. __________________ Ted

01-15-2008, 12:42 AM	#7 (permalink)
LLD New Friend Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 45	Re: Keeping the silent brass mute in the bell Fits great in my strad. shrug __________________

01-15-2008, 02:40 PM	#8 (permalink)
jazz9 Piano User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 283	Re: Keeping the silent brass mute in the bell "Huff" into the bell before inserting it, just like with a cork mute, this keeps it in for me, at least.-keegan katastrofee That's exactly what I was trying to explain, just couldn't get it in the right words. It works for me like that too.

01-15-2008, 02:44 PM	#9 (permalink)
Eeviac Piano User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: chino valley arizona usa Posts: 477	Re: Keeping the silent brass mute in the bell tedh1951 - that means you could use a piece of neoprene mouse pad too - those are the heavy ones, they're made out of wetsuit material.

01-15-2008, 02:50 PM	#10 (permalink)
jazz9 Piano User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 283	Re: Keeping the silent brass mute in the bell I have no idea what you guys are talking about with the wetsuits.

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