A 'Knot' in the centre of the upper lip???

Gogs · 10-31-2006, 12:40 PM

I have seen many trumpet players' have a 'knot' or a piece of the centre of the upper lip sticking out, especially in jazz musicians.Clifford Brown belived it makes produce a nice sound.

Does anyone know of how to develop this 'knot'???

Jon Kratzer · 10-31-2006, 12:53 PM

That's probably scar tissue from lots of playing and not so much rest. Just keep playing and take care of your health... I don't know of any miracle knots that will help your playing..

Brekelefuw · 10-31-2006, 02:49 PM

I would highly suggest against trying to make your lip 'knot' like Clifford or any player. There is no way it will make you play better. Think of all the great players whose lips arent like that.
Play with proper techniques and musicality and you too can sound like Clifford.

Bobby Shew once told me at a clinic about a guy who beleived that the teeth are the key to playing lead trumpet. He had actually filed his teeth down and convinced many lead players to do a mold of their teeth. When he wanted to play lead he could insert a pair of 'lead teethl' like a pair of dentures. Talk about insane.

wiseone2 · 10-31-2006, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gogs

I have seen many trumpet players' have a 'knot' or a piece of the centre of the upper lip sticking out, especially in jazz musicians.Clifford Brown belived it makes produce a nice sound.

Does anyone know of how to develop this 'knot'???

Pressure, use lots of pressure.
I was introduced to Miles on many occasions, Miles had C.R.S. On one of these meetings Miles grabbed my lip and said in that gravelly voice, that I wasn't a trumpet player because I didn't have that knot/scar tissue on my top lip.
Miles had a much more colorful way of saying that........I can't repeat that at this site

Wilmer

note360 · 10-31-2006, 04:09 PM

Lol, scar tissue makes you play better? I suppose it doesn't MAKE you play better. Its just the practice that goes along with it. It is almost like a status symbol (I assume and only assume)

rowuk · 10-31-2006, 04:24 PM

Satchmo's chops looked pretty beat up too! It probably goes with the territory - some players are just more sensitive than others. The way Maynard played you would have expected a face full of scar tissue - he was obviously doing something right (his scars were abdominal, hernias if I read right). His chops were able to withstand the beating. Miles wasn't so lucky or maybe the scar tissue was an inspirational factor for him.

Brekelefuw · 10-31-2006, 05:33 PM

According to my history course at school, or a book I read, Satchmo used to use a razor blade to cut the scar tissue off his lip and then use a bit of cocaine to numb it.

tromj · 10-31-2006, 08:00 PM

Satchmo also dug some grooves in his MP rim when he was younger, to keep the MP in one place. For a while, it messed up his chops.
I ran into Laurie Frink in a grocery store on the Upper West Side of Manhattan after not seeing her for a number of years. She said "you must still be honking 'cause your lips have the marks."

trumpettrax · 10-31-2006, 08:13 PM

So, are you supposed to have a knot? You get a knot if you are playing enough? I always thought that some of the players lips got "deformed" from playing so much, but maybe that's just the way thier lips look huh?

Trax

rowuk · 11-01-2006, 10:19 AM

TT,
that is not the way you are SUPPOSED to look. Some people just can't avoid it. Many players practice tons and have no signs of wear.

10-31-2006, 12:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
Gogs New Friend Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 10	A 'Knot' in the centre of the upper lip??? I have seen many trumpet players' have a 'knot' or a piece of the centre of the upper lip sticking out, especially in jazz musicians.Clifford Brown belived it makes produce a nice sound. Does anyone know of how to develop this 'knot'???

10-31-2006, 12:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jon Kratzer Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Grand Forks, ND Posts: 149	That's probably scar tissue from lots of playing and not so much rest. Just keep playing and take care of your health... I don't know of any miracle knots that will help your playing.. __________________ Seid bereit, immer bereit. http://www.jonkratzer.com - down for construction- http://www.grmouthpieces.com

10-31-2006, 02:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
Brekelefuw Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 938	I would highly suggest against trying to make your lip 'knot' like Clifford or any player. There is no way it will make you play better. Think of all the great players whose lips arent like that. Play with proper techniques and musicality and you too can sound like Clifford. Bobby Shew once told me at a clinic about a guy who beleived that the teeth are the key to playing lead trumpet. He had actually filed his teeth down and convinced many lead players to do a mold of their teeth. When he wanted to play lead he could insert a pair of 'lead teethl' like a pair of dentures. Talk about insane. Last edited by Brekelefuw; 10-31-2006 at 02:53 PM.

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note360 Piano User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In a room in a house Posts: 267	Lol, scar tissue makes you play better? I suppose it doesn't MAKE you play better. Its just the practice that goes along with it. It is almost like a status symbol (I assume and only assume) __________________ "I'll play it and tell you what it is later." - Miles Davis "Do not fear mistakes. There are none." - Miles Davis Trumpets: TR300 Bach [marching horn] Big Apple Bach Strad (ML) Cornets: 1952 Olds Ambassador L.A Mouthpiece: Curry 5c, Olds 3 (for the cornet atm)

10-31-2006, 04:24 PM	#6 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,221	Satchmo's chops looked pretty beat up too! It probably goes with the territory - some players are just more sensitive than others. The way Maynard played you would have expected a face full of scar tissue - he was obviously doing something right (his scars were abdominal, hernias if I read right). His chops were able to withstand the beating. Miles wasn't so lucky or maybe the scar tissue was an inspirational factor for him. __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

10-31-2006, 05:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
Brekelefuw Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 938	According to my history course at school, or a book I read, Satchmo used to use a razor blade to cut the scar tissue off his lip and then use a bit of cocaine to numb it.

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tromj Piano User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Teaneck, NJ Posts: 319	Satchmo also dug some grooves in his MP rim when he was younger, to keep the MP in one place. For a while, it messed up his chops. I ran into Laurie Frink in a grocery store on the Upper West Side of Manhattan after not seeing her for a number of years. She said "you must still be honking 'cause your lips have the marks." __________________ Bach 37 Yamaha 8310Z Yamaha 631 Flugel Getzen 850 Cornet Yamaha Picc Yamaha Xeno C 8445 Monette B1-5M, B1-5F, B1-5D cornet, Stork 3P, Monette C1-5M

10-31-2006, 08:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
trumpettrax Pianissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 156	So, are you supposed to have a knot? You get a knot if you are playing enough? I always thought that some of the players lips got "deformed" from playing so much, but maybe that's just the way thier lips look huh? Trax

11-01-2006, 10:19 AM	#10 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,221	TT, that is not the way you are SUPPOSED to look. Some people just can't avoid it. Many players practice tons and have no signs of wear. __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

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