Need Range Help!!! - Page 2

MJ · 06-21-2008, 12:26 AM

armature

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Originally Posted by B

I played in a community big band for a while with a good mix of pros and armatures. The band director was quite young and constantly picked the highest level pro arrangements. Mos of the pros in the bad would rewrite arrangements for the armatures and them selfs so they could play the whole night.

tedh1951 · 06-21-2008, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MJ

armature

Yes, the invisible "S" is silent.

rowuk · 06-21-2008, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by claminator

You should also check out your intonation up there. If there is a big strain from one note to the next you could really be playing out of the center. This will make you feel like 1 half step higher is a mile away. I would go back to about a 3rd or 4th below your highest solid notes and work on playing them in the smack middle of the horn.

Clammy

My horns have no possibility to attach the mouthpiece in the smack middle.

I do NOT recommend TRYING to "center" the note. The note rides on the air and if the horn/mouthpiece is in tune and your breath support and chops are together, the rest just works. Getting the breath support and chops together happens 2 octaves lower not above high C.
Pencil trick, circle of breath all provide the FOUNDATION upon which the house can stand. Technical tricks on the roof will not make a bad foundation stronger.

That being said, the thread owner claims to have a solid high F. Backing off on force and focusing on building a more controlled aperature could provide quick benefits. When your range just "stops" and suddenly gets thin, you have run out of something. Usually that means you have run out of chop control and use force to compensate until you squeeze EVERYTHING off.

Schwab · 06-21-2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by claminator

You should also check out your intonation up there. If there is a big strain from one note to the next you could really be playing out of the center. This will make you feel like 1 half step higher is a mile away. I would go back to about a 3rd or 4th below your highest solid notes and work on playing them in the smack middle of the horn.

Clammy

I'm with Clammy, I know what he is talking about and it doesn't feel good if you're playing low on the pitch in the high register. Relax into the center of the note and everything gets easier.

I would try it and find out if it works for you. Don't nix an option just because not all of us agree on it, no one here has seen or heard you play!

claminator · 06-21-2008, 04:35 PM

Rowuk,

You miss understand when I say center the sound.
I'm talking about listening to the sound and a little help from a tuner
when playing in the extreme upper register.
I don't know about anyone else but my horn and mouthpiece are never "in tune". Its through good practice that I play in tune.
We also know that there will never exist a trumpet that plays perfectly in tune. When I say smack middle I mean the most responsive and beautiful vibration you can get, (not a forced sound) only an extension of good tech. in the lower\middle register. Obviously having the best sound and playing perfectly in tune are not always the same. (when talking only about the fundemental series of vibration) However, in this imperfect world, this is a good start. goodluck!

Clammy

DeerSlayer555 · 06-21-2008, 08:19 PM

Thanks for all of the tips!

rowuk · 06-21-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by claminator

Rowuk,

You miss understand when I say center the sound.
I'm talking about listening to the sound and a little help from a tuner
when playing in the extreme upper register.
I don't know about anyone else but my horn and mouthpiece are never "in tune". Its through good practice that I play in tune.
We also know that there will never exist a trumpet that plays perfectly in tune. When I say smack middle I mean the most responsive and beautiful vibration you can get, (not a forced sound) only an extension of good tech. in the lower\middle register. Obviously having the best sound and playing perfectly in tune are not always the same. (when talking only about the fundemental series of vibration) However, in this imperfect world, this is a good start. goodluck!

Clammy

Clammy,
we may be even saying the almost same thing. Playing on the resonant center of each pitch is the highest efficiency - AND if the equipment is decent and the body use ok, it is a good start for in-tune playing.

I just do not have my students trying to "visualize" individual notes in the upper register. I try and get their breathing and chops strong and the intonation seems to just fall into place. I only use a tuner to get one note. I consider its use for scales to be counterproductive because it models the well tempered scale that does not sound "in tune" when playing wind instruments. Drones work MUCH better and faster. Chris Leuba (ex horn from the Chicago Symphony) did an incredible book on intonation. I got my copy through Monette. I can strongly recommend it before tackling any type of intonation exercize in any octave! Maybe somebody here has another source?

claminator · 06-21-2008, 09:57 PM

Rowuk,

I agree! I've used drone work for years. Great stuff.

Clammster

Euphoniumlord · 06-21-2008, 10:10 PM

Kurt Thomson has a lip workout idea on youtube. His username is yourbrassinstructor

06-21-2008, 04:35 PM	#15
claminator New Friend Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 15	Re: Need Range Help!!! Rowuk, You miss understand when I say center the sound. I'm talking about listening to the sound and a little help from a tuner when playing in the extreme upper register. I don't know about anyone else but my horn and mouthpiece are never "in tune". Its through good practice that I play in tune. We also know that there will never exist a trumpet that plays perfectly in tune. When I say smack middle I mean the most responsive and beautiful vibration you can get, (not a forced sound) only an extension of good tech. in the lower\middle register. Obviously having the best sound and playing perfectly in tune are not always the same. (when talking only about the fundemental series of vibration) However, in this imperfect world, this is a good start. goodluck! Clammy __________________ I love clam bakes

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DeerSlayer555 New Friend Join Date: May 2008 Location: St.Louis Posts: 29	Re: Need Range Help!!! Thanks for all of the tips! __________________ Horns 1981 Bach Strad 2005 Bach Strad 1960 Holton Tri-Color Super Collegiate 1959 Holton Tri-Color Super Collegiate Cornet 1965 King Cleaveland 602 Cornet 1920 Abbott Mfg Trumpet 1940? Josef Lidl Rotary Bb 2003 Yamaha Student Horn Mouthpieces Monette MF III Laskey 70c

06-21-2008, 09:57 PM	#18
claminator New Friend Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 15	Re: Need Range Help!!! Rowuk, I agree! I've used drone work for years. Great stuff. Clammster __________________ I love clam bakes

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