Oil that Flugel! Yes but, how much?

hornished · 10-20-2007, 08:40 AM

I am a newcomer with the Flugel. It´s a Getzen from the 70´s that, after some work in it, is in very good shape. I play it two or three rounds a week and every time I take it out of the case I find it valve stucked like if I never had oiled it before. I tried different oils that last a lot in my trumpet. Is that normal with the Flugel or is there something I can do about it? Thanks.

Miyot · 10-20-2007, 09:44 AM

Oil the valves every day. My old Getzen trumpet valves will stick, but only after long periods of not playing it. I'd say oil every day, if the sticking valve isn't a real problem. If it is, you may have to get them lapped. Saliva acts kind of like glue when it dries. I use Hetman #1 light piston oil. Excellent.

westview1900 · 10-20-2007, 10:58 AM

Binak oil seems to work for me. It seems to last longer than conventional oils.

lmf · 10-20-2007, 12:03 PM

Hi,

How often have you given the flugel a bath?

Sometimes a good bath and re-oiling the valves will help.

Different oils work better on some valves than others.

But, a regular cleaning routine helps.

Best wishes,

Lloyd

rowuk · 10-20-2007, 05:22 PM

Wipe the valves down with acetone (be careful if the horn is laquered!) then oil with a SYNTHETIC valve oil. Petroleum based oils evaporate and that is probably what is sticking in your case.

Joe N. · 10-20-2007, 10:12 PM

I know it sounds crazy, but oil them up and dip them in water. The water clashes with the oil and gets it going. Weird, but true. My trumpet teacher who jazz gigs every night brings a cup of water to use for valves and one to drink...

rowuk · 10-21-2007, 09:04 AM

Joe,
I think the reason that works has nothing to do with the science of lubrication.
Practically speaking oil floats on water. If your valves and casings are not completely coated, the oil is of NO USE. If it is completely coated AND you have no mechanical problem, you do not need anything else.
IF you eat and drink at gigs, there are plenty of particles in the horn that find their way to places where they can cause TROUBLE! Giving the valves a shower will flush some of that away.
Again: there is NOTHING in valve oil that needs "activation" to work properly and water is a MISERABLE lubricant! That is one of the problems with vintage horns: many players used spit or water instead of oil. The valves wear much more quickly!

upoils · 10-21-2007, 10:07 PM

I also have the '70s getzen flugel (4 valve). It works great with Ultra-Pure (what else did you expect me to recommend!! :) Best of luck, Ken

10-20-2007, 08:40 AM	#1 (permalink)
hornished New Friend Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 8	Oil that Flugel! Yes but, how much? I am a newcomer with the Flugel. It´s a Getzen from the 70´s that, after some work in it, is in very good shape. I play it two or three rounds a week and every time I take it out of the case I find it valve stucked like if I never had oiled it before. I tried different oils that last a lot in my trumpet. Is that normal with the Flugel or is there something I can do about it? Thanks.
hornished New Friend Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 8

10-20-2007, 09:44 AM	#2 (permalink)
Miyot Pianissimo User Join Date: Jul 2007 Brand: Schilke B1, Getzen Eterna Posts: 138	Re: Oil that Flugel! Yes but, how much? Oil the valves every day. My old Getzen trumpet valves will stick, but only after long periods of not playing it. I'd say oil every day, if the sticking valve isn't a real problem. If it is, you may have to get them lapped. Saliva acts kind of like glue when it dries. I use Hetman #1 light piston oil. Excellent.

10-20-2007, 10:58 AM	#3 (permalink)
westview1900 Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 128	Re: Oil that Flugel! Yes but, how much? Binak oil seems to work for me. It seems to last longer than conventional oils.

10-20-2007, 12:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
lmf Pianissimo User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Warsaw, Indiana Posts: 191	Re: Oil that Flugel! Yes but, how much? Hi, How often have you given the flugel a bath? Sometimes a good bath and re-oiling the valves will help. Different oils work better on some valves than others. But, a regular cleaning routine helps. Best wishes, Lloyd

10-20-2007, 05:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Brand: Nat, Piston, Rotary Posts: 3,875	Re: Oil that Flugel! Yes but, how much? Wipe the valves down with acetone (be careful if the horn is laquered!) then oil with a SYNTHETIC valve oil. Petroleum based oils evaporate and that is probably what is sticking in your case.
	__________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

10-20-2007, 10:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
Joe N. New Friend Join Date: Mar 2007 Brand: Yamaha Posts: 40	Re: Oil that Flugel! Yes but, how much? I know it sounds crazy, but oil them up and dip them in water. The water clashes with the oil and gets it going. Weird, but true. My trumpet teacher who jazz gigs every night brings a cup of water to use for valves and one to drink...

10-21-2007, 09:04 AM	#7 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Brand: Nat, Piston, Rotary Posts: 3,875	Re: Oil that Flugel! Yes but, how much? Joe, I think the reason that works has nothing to do with the science of lubrication. Practically speaking oil floats on water. If your valves and casings are not completely coated, the oil is of NO USE. If it is completely coated AND you have no mechanical problem, you do not need anything else. IF you eat and drink at gigs, there are plenty of particles in the horn that find their way to places where they can cause TROUBLE! Giving the valves a shower will flush some of that away. Again: there is NOTHING in valve oil that needs "activation" to work properly and water is a MISERABLE lubricant! That is one of the problems with vintage horns: many players used spit or water instead of oil. The valves wear much more quickly!
	__________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

10-21-2007, 10:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
upoils Pianissimo User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Philomath, Oregon Posts: 74	Re: Oil that Flugel! Yes but, how much? I also have the '70s getzen flugel (4 valve). It works great with Ultra-Pure (what else did you expect me to recommend!! :) Best of luck, Ken
	__________________ http://www.ultrapureoils.com http://www.myspace.com/ultrapureoils ken "at" ultrapureoils.com

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
ID this Flugel	heck99	Horns	13	05-29-2007 02:41 PM
Couesnon Flugel vs. Bach Flugel	trumpettrax	Horns	4	05-14-2006 05:17 PM
My new flugel	Castle Bravo	TM Lounge	23	04-14-2005 04:11 PM
Kanstul ZKF 1525 Flugel vs. Wild Thing Flugel	rhdroc	Horns	0	11-21-2003 11:05 AM

Unleash Your Anger
Copyright 2006 TrumpetMaster.com	All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:54 PM. Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v2.2.0/Links 1.01 Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.9 Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC8