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Trumpet Discussion Discuss Ornamenting notes. in the General forums; I not meaning to be a know-it-all, but I have heard people use it quite often in jazz. Is it ...
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    I not meaning to be a know-it-all, but I have heard people use it quite often in jazz. Is it not a variation of flutter tounging? That's what I thought it was.
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    Wynto explains a lot of different trumpet techniques on this website :

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    Effects used during a solo would depend on the style of the music. Listen to soloists who play in the style you prefer and observe what sounds they use and where to use them. Effects used in playing lead will be indicated on the chart or are sometimes added after listening to a particular recording or at the request of the arranger, leader or the whim of the lead player. If in doubt or if you get funny looks when you do it, it may be best to play it straight.

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    I've never heard of water tonguing.

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    A book won't tell you how to "ornament" your jazz playing, and if there is such a book all you'll learn will be hackneyed formulas. Instead, listen to a lot of jazz records, especially of those whose playing you admire, start with ballads, pick out a phrase or two and do what they do. It'll teach you a lot: what key they play it in, their phrasing (v. yours), where they breathe, etc.
    After a while the "ornament" will become your own and you'll modify it to reflect your own style without even knowing that you've done so.
    If you listen real hard and concentrate on taste and not corn, you'll pick up plenty of tecnique. Don't learn tricks. In the end they're just tricks, aren't they? The worst tricks come out of books, BTW.
    Remember what Maynard F. said: "When you get in trouble play the melody. The melody is never wrong!"

    For starters:
    Clifford Brown
    Freddy Hubbard
    Charlie Shavers
    Chet Baker
    Buck Clayton
    Harry James
    Woody Shaw
    Miles Davis
    And on and on . .

    This ought to give you some new ears!


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    Ornamentations / Mordents

    Have a question....a book I have describes a mordent as a single note down and back up from the original note with an inverted mordent going up a single note and back to the original. Another text says just the opposite. Could someone clairify this for me and describe the actual symbol as well for these.

    Have already checked a couple of pocket dictionaries and there are conflicts between some of these as well.

    Going to check Harvad Dictionary when I get back home.

    Any help is appreciated....

    Bill Dishman
    Gainesville, Florida

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    I don't know if anyone has mentioned it, but I like throwing in a little half-valving every once in a while.

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